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Wolf .22 Match ammo
Jun 7th, 2008 at 10:36am
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Does anyone know the story of why Wolf .22 Match Ammo is unavailable? I bought a brick a couple years ago when I started this game, and my Ballard really likes it, as did my shooting budget. I purchased that first brick from Outdoor Marksman, and now it can't be found anywhere. Sad thing is, it shot every bit as good, if not better, than the expensive Lapua or Eley ammo at a fraction of the cost. I know Wolf sells ammo from all over Europe, and this Match ammo was made in Germany.
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 7th, 2008 at 3:03pm
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My understanding is that the SK Match is replacing that type of low cost
Wolf. A friend of mine just purchased a couple of bricks from Bruno's Shooting Supply in Phoenix. They have a website and will ship. He states
that the ammo is excellant.

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Reply #2 - Jun 7th, 2008 at 3:09pm
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SK makes the Wolf Match Extra and Match Target - all SK match and Wolf match ammo is made with Lapua primed brass - just check the headstamp.  If you want the Wolf try Champion Shooters Supply out of Ohio or Champions Choice out of Tennessee. But the price is not going to be as friendly as two years ago.  you have a good day now - the rimfire - cdpersons
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 7th, 2008 at 5:39pm
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rimfire;
           SK & Wolf rimfire ammo are the same , different boxes.  leadball
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 7th, 2008 at 10:07pm
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Thanks for the helpful information Fellas! Like I said, the Wolf performed every bit as good as the expensive stuff in my rifle, so why bother throwing away money? The cost of ammo is going through the roof as it is. 

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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #5 - Jun 8th, 2008 at 9:22am
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it all boils down to the lot you buy, you can get good or bad 10x, same with the cheaper wolf/SK
  
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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #6 - Jun 8th, 2008 at 11:02am
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It looks like all the rf target ammo makers are revising their lines. dropping old standbys, reducing their selections, and for some reason not lowering prices either.  must be something to do with the decreased dollar value on the international market,  corn, and oil prices or the coming election.

As a possible aalternative to the Wolf:
At EG last month I was given a box of some Aguila 22 rf match (Superextra I think--I forgot and tossed the empty box) ammo to play with,  its Ely cased and primed I believe and priced at about the same level as the Wolf TM.
it was windy and condition were a long long ways from ideal for evaluation but it was shooting to about the same point of impact and the group/patterns seemed to be about the same as I normally get from the Wolf which my rifle likes.

while I still have most of a case of Wolf I'll be taking a closer look at the Aguila especially for my 22 rf offhand rifle. 

obviously your lot and batch may vary,  to paraphrase GF's  "YMMV"
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 8th, 2008 at 2:08pm
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Thanks DWS. I looked at some Aguila on Midways' site and it was out of stock and a back order was ok, with a very attractive price. The reviews were pretty encourageing as well. Along with everything else, brass and copper are at a premium because the Chinese and India are purchaseing vast amounts of metals. It would appear they are having their "Industrial Revolution" now.
  
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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #8 - Jun 9th, 2008 at 8:13am
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Rimfire ammo is the cheapest part of shooting matches.  Rim-fire Hudson sighters and all may spend 20 bucks total.  And burn 30 gallons of gas out and back from the match. Not to mention all the other cost.

Every shot counting winners vs also rans in a 100 shot match 4 or 5 off shots difference.  Is it worth saving 10 dollars and risking flyer's  with cheap stuff ? 

Not for me. Buy Ely best you can get and practice with there less expensive line.


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Reply #9 - Jun 9th, 2008 at 11:35am
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Hey Boats,
   You must be a former Navy man or some such. I'm a retired Airedale CPO myself. At any rate, ammo and rifles are two variables that don't necessarily compliment each others performance consistently. I may not have been clear on how much of the expensive stuff I've put through my rifle, but it's been enough to let me know my rifle doesn't care for it that much. I happened upon the Wolf ammo 2 years ago and it shoots much more accurately and consistently in my rifle than any of the other high dollar ammunition. That being said, I guess I could go on a spending spree on rifles until I found one that would shoot the expensive ammo. ( Sounds like a government procurement program. I could do that with other folks money ) I count myself fortunate that this firearm likes the less expensive ammunition, but I know that could change if the particular line is dropped or if the manufaturer changes primer mix, powder or any other variable. Even a bad lot shows it's ugly head from time to time. Bottom line is, I won't purchase and shoot ammunition based on price alone. If I can get a great performing ammunition at a good price, I'll do it. If I have to spend a kings ransom on great performing ammo for my rifle, than I guess I'll have no choice.
  
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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #10 - Jun 9th, 2008 at 5:33pm
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Wild Bill, Coast Guard, So you can see I am going to be contrary. Don't take offence please.

My unpopular belief that most will say is false is low priced ammo shooting well is the result of short run test not showing up problems.  As far as rifles "liking" ammo thats another popular and often repeated myth. All the gun magazines run the same article several times  a year, which one the rifle liked.

The top shooting teams won't pack ammo that each shooter decided his rifle "liked" before getting on the plane for China this summer. Teams test for consistency work out a sponsorship deal with one of the major ammo companys and run it though every thing they have. All the same. Imagine a couple of dozen high strung young competitors worrying about the rifle liking a certan brand or lot rather than focusing on shooting well ?  Not a recipe for sucess.

The question is will the ammo throw flyers in a long run.  Few good groups won't show that.  I proved this to my self when I had to shoot smallbore prone for 3 years while working in Austraila.  No other matches avalable nearby. Only offhand was Air Rifle.  Not having shot prone for some time qualified right  away in the 4th or lowest level.   I wanted to bost my performance.  The qualifiers were best 20 20 shot matches or 400 rounds scored. Club ran 1 for record and one pratice every Wed night 2 for record and one pratice on Sat.   You could mess one up and not a problem they only scored the top 20 matches. sort of like our re-entrys.  And with 150 matches for record a year sounds easy.

One of the top shooters pulled me aside and gave good advice. "It's a difficult sport and use the best you can buy".   Year later with over 70 matches for record shot I jumped from 4th class to 2nd,  By 3 points. One flyer would have ruined the whole season.  I watched 3 bricks of Ely match go down range and never saw a single off shot that was not my fault.  The new production Federal 711 B I am using for pratice now gives flyers misfires or "bloop" sounding shots, not many but enough to remember.  My last lot of Federal 900 B never has given any cause for concern. Finishing 4th brick of it up now and since no more is being produced will switch back to Ely.

Look at the match results for ASSRA Schuetzen matches.  Not the throway re-entrys, the single entry matches, Very few points seperate the good shooters from also rans. Might as well use the best you can.

My last and again argument no one is going to agree with, It's going to cost me a couple of hundred dollars to shoot Bushy Mt end of this month. Why risk results by using 3 dollar per box ammo instead of 7 or even 10, Only going to shoot 3 boxes anway.

Thats my take on cheap ammo.

Boats
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Reply #11 - Jun 9th, 2008 at 6:41pm
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with the boats on this one, using cheap ammo in a match is like using cheap line on a fishing rod. flyers and broken line are no good.. especially when money was bet on the shot or fish..

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Reply #12 - Jun 9th, 2008 at 6:44pm
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PS....
cmp has some good buys on the wolf brands or sk or whatever its called now.. IF,,, you belong to a qualifing club..

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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #13 - Jun 9th, 2008 at 7:15pm
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CMP has Auguila, it uses the Ely priming system (they bought the eqiupment and rights I hear) but it is not cases and primed by Ely. I have shot both types offered and was not overly impressed, one was hard to chamber and extemely dirty, other shot OK.
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 9th, 2008 at 8:59pm
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What Boats said, word for word.
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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #15 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 6:30am
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Boats has my vote to.
  
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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #16 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 8:41am
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Since I also shoot a full calender of IR50/50 benchrest every year, we tend to be tied in to ammo developments and might offer the following suggestion. Try some of the 6 bucks a box ELEY orange box stuff. Lots of it is proving to be quite competetive in a lot of big matches and you do not have to pay some of the over the top prices currently being seen. Just an FYI.
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:14am
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Boats is 98% right... Maybe 99%.

My only issue is a matter of degree, rather than of substance.

Keeping in mind my background is from Smallbore Prone, not Smallbore Schützen or Benchrest.

If you can't afford to practice, then the high dollar ammo at a match won't do you spit of good.
Buy the best you can afford, but temper that with your need to actually expend some of the stuff in practice.  A LOT of the stuff, in fact.

I shoot maybe 150-200 (3-4 boxes) a week in practice, with matches through the summer (4-5 boxes a match).   
I couldn't afford to do that buying top-end Eley or Lapua.  I'm not trying to bargain shop my ammo, I literally can't come up with that kind of $$$.

I'm shooting Eley Club at the moment, and it's performing a bit better than the Wolf Match Extra did last year. I need the rest of the season to tell you exactly how much better.
The Wolf ME allowed me to practice more, and was capable of cleaning the targets we shoot... I felt at no overt disadvantage using it.  I'm sure top end Eley would have gained me X's... no doubt.  MAYBE it would have gained me a couple points. But if I had to triple my ammo budget, I would have had to cut my practice in half, and that would have dropped me MORE points.
Now that Wolf ME is more expensive, I'm stretching a little more and buying Eley Club.   

DON'T skimp on ammo if you don't have to.  Buy stuff that will shoot.
But also remember that shots fired in practice are going to pay off at the Big Match you've been planning all year for... so don't spend yourself into such a hole that it pains you unduly to drop the hammer on each round while you hone your skills.

I've been trying to keep my ammo ahead of my skill level, but spending $11 a box on a $2 "sight-alignment and trigger squeeze" doesn't really help.
Now that my "hold and squeeze" are worth more, I can spend $6 a box and not be disadvantaged by the ammo.   

As always; YMMV.
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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #18 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 4:51pm
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My routine is to use best quality match and pratice all from the same manufacturer.  I figure lubes etc will be the same and the rifle does not have to settle down so much box to box when switching out.   

Another thing is what match you are shooting. Some sports you can afford to miss without severe penalty. Silouette AAA shooters only need to hit 70 % or so.  ASSRA re-entrys you can throw targets away all day and only score the good ones. Smallbore prone squaded in relays you can't miss a single shot.  I don't like to give anything up in the ASSRA rimfire Hudson, will miss enough on my own.

Smallbore prone used Ely but Smallbore Silouette used Federal when the 900 B was avalable.  My Schuetzen I only use the .22 barrel to get the feel of conditons etc with no more than two record matches each year.  Have been using up the last lots of Federal.  Ran out of the pratice 711B and found the new stuff not up to par.

When the Brick of Federal 900 B I just opened is gone will switch everything to Ely.  It's a big advantage to me using something thats avalable rather that here today gone tomorrow.

On the cost not only has ammo gone up the weak dollar has taken a big toll value wise. It's down by half from 6 or 7 years ago.  Ely is getting 50 P on the Pound when they convert and if they maintain prices so it's bound to rise.  As far as I know only adequate US made ammo was Federal and not am not so sure it's good anymore.

Testing as a sport in it's self is fun and have done my share. But don't do it anymore.

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Reply #19 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 5:29pm
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Federal is most certainly out of the running.. unless things have changed.
From some gleanings in Precision Shooting, and from Benchrest Central a few years back; it seems that Federal sold their whole rimfire ammunition line (lock, stock, and warehouse) to another company to operate.
The other company promptly discontinued using the "expensive" components for the match ammo, and used basically "floor sweepings" to cobble up the 1000, and the 900. In a lot of cases they quit bothering to put lot numbers on boxes.

Some of the rimfire bench guys here locally would kill to get a couple cases of the "old" 1000A or 1000B ammo.

I used to use 711B for pistol ammo.   
After their change-over, I got a brick with 3-4 duds in a box, and a mix of "Pop" and "Crack" from the rounds.   

The Bean Counters figured that people would keep paying $10/bx (back then) for "match" ammo even if they cut the quality. 
Notice how Federal ammo isn't showing up at matches any more?


OH, and I agree..
Same ammo whenever possible.   
Some guys change ammo in Prone from 50 to 100 yard... and they have to burn sighters to get the barrel to settle down again... every single time.   
I MIGHT pull stuff like that in a "club" match, but if it matters at all, thats the time when I spend the money on ammo!

I read last night an ad (forget the vendor) for a "new" match ammo from Lapua.
You sitting down?
$26 a box.  Of 50.
It better be good if they want me to pay $130 to shoot a 1600 match!

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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #20 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 6:25am
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That explains it on Federal.   My ratio was one brick of match two of pratice and ran out of Federal 711 B while holding a brick of 900B match.  New 711B has "bloopers" and enough to notice. Beancounters ruin another I guess.

In there day Federal was paying sponsonship money, and would even give some bucks to small time shooters if they won using it.  I was in Wiggers relay at the smallbore Silouette nationals some time ago, relay, not class for sure. 

He was shooting a Kimber sporter and using Federal. I shoot a Kimber too so we talked about the rifles. He told me both were paying his way, He lost the championship on one ram in a shoot off.  Watched the shot and to this day believe the rifle/ammo missed not Wigger. He is as cool a shooter as there has ever been.

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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #21 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 10:07am
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Paul F.
    For what it's worth, we have had a couple pretty sloid test reports in so far on the new Lapua. Seems no better than the black box ELEY so I cannot imagine what the Finns are thinking?
  

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Reply #22 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 11:43am
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Well, for all I know, that price was a "suggested retail", or misprint...
But if that price WAS true, a case of it better be delivered by a busty Finnish girl who will then... uh, never mind... (supposed to be a family friendly forum... I'm sure you get the picture...)

On another ammo note..
It looks like I need to stock up on a few bricks of Eley Club... I'm reading at ChampionSHooters that it's being discontinued and replaced with Eley Team (at $2 more a box!). I'm too cash poor to pony up for a full case, so it looks like by August, I'm gonna hang up my prone rifle for the year.  Oh well, probably time for that new buttplate I've been threatening to install.

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Reply #23 - Jun 20th, 2008 at 12:10pm
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Thanks for all the input fellas! Boats, no offense taken. I can understand your propensity for the Ely brand. I moved out here to Oregon 3 years ago, and was an avid BPCR shooter in Montana. There are no local shoots in my vicinity for that game, I have to travel quite a ways to do it. I found a Schuetzen club within 50 miles of my house and built a .22 Ballard for that sport. The local club doesn't shoot alot of 22 matches, so right now I'm just shooting the postals offered by ASSRA. In other words, I won't be doing alot of it. I'll definitely be getting in alot more practice than actual comepetitive shooting.
  
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