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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #15 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 6:30am
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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #16 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 8:41am
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Since I also shoot a full calender of IR50/50 benchrest every year, we tend to be tied in to ammo developments and might offer the following suggestion. Try some of the 6 bucks a box ELEY orange box stuff. Lots of it is proving to be quite competetive in a lot of big matches and you do not have to pay some of the over the top prices currently being seen. Just an FYI.
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:14am
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Boats is 98% right... Maybe 99%.

My only issue is a matter of degree, rather than of substance.

Keeping in mind my background is from Smallbore Prone, not Smallbore Schützen or Benchrest.

If you can't afford to practice, then the high dollar ammo at a match won't do you spit of good.
Buy the best you can afford, but temper that with your need to actually expend some of the stuff in practice.  A LOT of the stuff, in fact.

I shoot maybe 150-200 (3-4 boxes) a week in practice, with matches through the summer (4-5 boxes a match).   
I couldn't afford to do that buying top-end Eley or Lapua.  I'm not trying to bargain shop my ammo, I literally can't come up with that kind of $$$.

I'm shooting Eley Club at the moment, and it's performing a bit better than the Wolf Match Extra did last year. I need the rest of the season to tell you exactly how much better.
The Wolf ME allowed me to practice more, and was capable of cleaning the targets we shoot... I felt at no overt disadvantage using it.  I'm sure top end Eley would have gained me X's... no doubt.  MAYBE it would have gained me a couple points. But if I had to triple my ammo budget, I would have had to cut my practice in half, and that would have dropped me MORE points.
Now that Wolf ME is more expensive, I'm stretching a little more and buying Eley Club.   

DON'T skimp on ammo if you don't have to.  Buy stuff that will shoot.
But also remember that shots fired in practice are going to pay off at the Big Match you've been planning all year for... so don't spend yourself into such a hole that it pains you unduly to drop the hammer on each round while you hone your skills.

I've been trying to keep my ammo ahead of my skill level, but spending $11 a box on a $2 "sight-alignment and trigger squeeze" doesn't really help.
Now that my "hold and squeeze" are worth more, I can spend $6 a box and not be disadvantaged by the ammo.   

As always; YMMV.
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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #18 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 4:51pm
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My routine is to use best quality match and pratice all from the same manufacturer.  I figure lubes etc will be the same and the rifle does not have to settle down so much box to box when switching out.   

Another thing is what match you are shooting. Some sports you can afford to miss without severe penalty. Silouette AAA shooters only need to hit 70 % or so.  ASSRA re-entrys you can throw targets away all day and only score the good ones. Smallbore prone squaded in relays you can't miss a single shot.  I don't like to give anything up in the ASSRA rimfire Hudson, will miss enough on my own.

Smallbore prone used Ely but Smallbore Silouette used Federal when the 900 B was avalable.  My Schuetzen I only use the .22 barrel to get the feel of conditons etc with no more than two record matches each year.  Have been using up the last lots of Federal.  Ran out of the pratice 711B and found the new stuff not up to par.

When the Brick of Federal 900 B I just opened is gone will switch everything to Ely.  It's a big advantage to me using something thats avalable rather that here today gone tomorrow.

On the cost not only has ammo gone up the weak dollar has taken a big toll value wise. It's down by half from 6 or 7 years ago.  Ely is getting 50 P on the Pound when they convert and if they maintain prices so it's bound to rise.  As far as I know only adequate US made ammo was Federal and not am not so sure it's good anymore.

Testing as a sport in it's self is fun and have done my share. But don't do it anymore.

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Reply #19 - Jun 10th, 2008 at 5:29pm
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Federal is most certainly out of the running.. unless things have changed.
From some gleanings in Precision Shooting, and from Benchrest Central a few years back; it seems that Federal sold their whole rimfire ammunition line (lock, stock, and warehouse) to another company to operate.
The other company promptly discontinued using the "expensive" components for the match ammo, and used basically "floor sweepings" to cobble up the 1000, and the 900. In a lot of cases they quit bothering to put lot numbers on boxes.

Some of the rimfire bench guys here locally would kill to get a couple cases of the "old" 1000A or 1000B ammo.

I used to use 711B for pistol ammo.   
After their change-over, I got a brick with 3-4 duds in a box, and a mix of "Pop" and "Crack" from the rounds.   

The Bean Counters figured that people would keep paying $10/bx (back then) for "match" ammo even if they cut the quality. 
Notice how Federal ammo isn't showing up at matches any more?


OH, and I agree..
Same ammo whenever possible.   
Some guys change ammo in Prone from 50 to 100 yard... and they have to burn sighters to get the barrel to settle down again... every single time.   
I MIGHT pull stuff like that in a "club" match, but if it matters at all, thats the time when I spend the money on ammo!

I read last night an ad (forget the vendor) for a "new" match ammo from Lapua.
You sitting down?
$26 a box.  Of 50.
It better be good if they want me to pay $130 to shoot a 1600 match!

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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #20 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 6:25am
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That explains it on Federal.   My ratio was one brick of match two of pratice and ran out of Federal 711 B while holding a brick of 900B match.  New 711B has "bloopers" and enough to notice. Beancounters ruin another I guess.

In there day Federal was paying sponsonship money, and would even give some bucks to small time shooters if they won using it.  I was in Wiggers relay at the smallbore Silouette nationals some time ago, relay, not class for sure. 

He was shooting a Kimber sporter and using Federal. I shoot a Kimber too so we talked about the rifles. He told me both were paying his way, He lost the championship on one ram in a shoot off.  Watched the shot and to this day believe the rifle/ammo missed not Wigger. He is as cool a shooter as there has ever been.

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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #21 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 10:07am
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    For what it's worth, we have had a couple pretty sloid test reports in so far on the new Lapua. Seems no better than the black box ELEY so I cannot imagine what the Finns are thinking?
  

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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #22 - Jun 11th, 2008 at 11:43am
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Well, for all I know, that price was a "suggested retail", or misprint...
But if that price WAS true, a case of it better be delivered by a busty Finnish girl who will then... uh, never mind... (supposed to be a family friendly forum... I'm sure you get the picture...)

On another ammo note..
It looks like I need to stock up on a few bricks of Eley Club... I'm reading at ChampionSHooters that it's being discontinued and replaced with Eley Team (at $2 more a box!). I'm too cash poor to pony up for a full case, so it looks like by August, I'm gonna hang up my prone rifle for the year.  Oh well, probably time for that new buttplate I've been threatening to install.

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Re: Wolf .22 Match ammo
Reply #23 - Jun 20th, 2008 at 12:10pm
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Thanks for all the input fellas! Boats, no offense taken. I can understand your propensity for the Ely brand. I moved out here to Oregon 3 years ago, and was an avid BPCR shooter in Montana. There are no local shoots in my vicinity for that game, I have to travel quite a ways to do it. I found a Schuetzen club within 50 miles of my house and built a .22 Ballard for that sport. The local club doesn't shoot alot of 22 matches, so right now I'm just shooting the postals offered by ASSRA. In other words, I won't be doing alot of it. I'll definitely be getting in alot more practice than actual comepetitive shooting.
  
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