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For those of you who thought you were safe.
May 10th, 2008 at 9:32am
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I started doing some research for an upcomming editorial. I recently read Steve Garby's editorial in the Black Powder Cartirdge News on how many single shot rifle shooters feel they are safe from the gun grabbers. I am writing an editorial to both support Steve and amplify his points. I doing some digging for facts I found these proposed laws that were aimed directly at us. These bills are not just federal many are state. I am asking you to join me in fighting this direct threat to our sport. 
  Serialized amunition bills are in the works in 13 states. They want ALL cartridges to have serial numbers! That will make every cartridge that you now have illegal. The laws all state that old non serial numbered cartridges must be disposed of. Call your local state Rep. to find out the penalties. The states are Arizona, Illinois, Connecticut, Hawii, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, and Washington,
  In California and Arizona there is a bill pending that banns all centerfire ammunition containing lead.
  So all they really want is all our cartridge cases and our plain based lead bullets. Its not like they want our guns.
Steve is right they want to stop all shooting! Please join with me if you live in one of the states that has these bills pending call your state representatives and senitors and make it plain that they will not be reelected if these bills pass. Go to your local gun clubs and stir them up. If we don't do something soon all our rifles will be wall hangers. 

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Reply #1 - May 10th, 2008 at 9:55am
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The opposition knows no bounds and while I think the current crop of bills will falter, the regulatory bans on the sale and use of lead by unlicensed manufacturers (home bullet casting) is something bubbling along in EPA for some time now.  Since they've been able to get a phased in ban on non-licensed use of automotive finishes (no touch up paint), I don't think reasonableness enters into the equation.

The opposition really doesn't need laws as long as the regulators are given free range.  The new regs on the transport, storage and retail of powders when fully in effect will be a major blow to handloading anything and pretty much make BP a mail order only product.....until the shippers are squeezed by the regs to raise costs to the point of being uneconomic.

As Ben Franklin said in the face of unreasonable restraints in an earlier era, “we either hang together or most assuredly will hang separately”.

I personally have little use for many aspects of the shooting sports, but know full well that either I support them 100% or mine will be next.
  
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Reply #2 - May 10th, 2008 at 10:50am
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Indeed, it is another election year, and sadly, if we happen to have a liberal Democrat as President and a Democrat controlled Congress, it is going to be a steep uphill battle. Regulatory agencies often come up with some incredibly draconian measures to foist upon the electorate, and many times it is at the urging of certain Congresspersons and Senators who know they can't get measures passed on the floor by vote. It's a back door political game. All we can do is remain vigilant and communicate to our elected officials our displeasure with these measures. Remember folks, we have clout. We nearly put Smith & Wesson out of buisness, and those poor folks employed there knew it was a given we would do that. I personally think that if a firearms or ammunition manufacturer is forced to sell serialized ammo or firearms with firing pin imprints (or any other bizarre act) by a state, then they should completely quit doing buisness with that state. No sales to individuals OR state agencies. I'm not a big fan of modern military firearms, but I certainly applaud Barret for pulling out of California. They figured as long as citizens were banned from purchaseing their product, then state agencies wouldn't have it either. I think that would get the attention of the public and government if the industry put a choke on them like that. These politicians are playing dirty, it's time we bit back hard.
  
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Reply #3 - May 10th, 2008 at 11:08am
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While i agree with all of the points made(we just defeated a bill requireing a permit to buy Ammo here inCA), i do not like disinformation.The bill in CA was about HUNTING, and had nothing about
target shooting,there are very few hunters left in CA, too many people.Also LAST YEAR we defeated the "Black Powder new regulations", they were stopped in there tracks,DEAD. They were a product of OSHA, as i'm sure you remember.
  
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Reply #4 - May 10th, 2008 at 6:06pm
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Yes the OSHA regs were defeated...this time.  But it is a serious mistake to think that is the end of it.  However the last set of BP regs pretty much put most of the folks here out of the business.  How many places are willing to put up with the log book, ATF&E approved segregated storage and background checks to sell a few pounds.   In the N.VA area we have exactly two I know of in a 50 mile radius and one of those is questioning whether they will next year despite being the region’s largest firearms retailer.  Too much hassle and overhead for too little profit.  We live in a capitalistic society that often accomplishes through economics what can't be done through overt legislation.

New propellant regs are going forward with phased implementation.   While not as drastic as originally proposed, the days of selecting from shelves of powder and primers are numbered.

As to disinformation, I know a lot of hunters in CA and most of the state is very sparsely populated.  Last year CA sold over 300,000 hunting licenses, which is about the same as West Virginia.  Small compared to the overall population, but a lot of folks none the less.  Sadly the numbers are declining just about everywhere, so let's not discount the need to support each and every one of them.   
  
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Reply #5 - May 10th, 2008 at 6:23pm
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Connecticut's proposed bullet serialization was tabled(no vote). Not enough information as to its value. I emailed all 43 of our(Connecticut) legislators as to the problems associated withe this type of legislation. Two responded to my email. Ignored by 41. I was pissed to say the least, so I emailed the 2 that responded thanking them for there interest in my displeasure of the bills, and stating my absolute disgust that the others have no interest in what their constituents think. Of course I cc'd the 41 no responders.
  

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Reply #6 - May 10th, 2008 at 9:38pm
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Last year 259,000 hunting liciences were sold in CA.That's one for every
140 persons last i read.No wonder the anti-gunners laugh at CA hunters.
To make any difference we need at LEAST 10% of the public on our side, this I have read is the make or break number(rebember what 12% blacks did).It's hard to get people to protest againest an anti-gun bill, most of them have given-up and left for a so-called "Free.State".Good Luck to all.I'm living in a free state for the next month or so, my wife fell
and broke her leg on a visit to Las Vegas, NV. At least we're both retired,
so loosing a jobs not a problem. She will not be able to walk for another month.
  
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Reply #7 - May 11th, 2008 at 7:46pm
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Gentlemen,

It is a small step indeed from banning lead in your hunting ammunition to banning it "across the board". Especially if you are doing it "for the children..." or in this case, I believe, for the buzzards.

The only defense we have is constant vigilance.

Gute Ziele,

Steve
  
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Reply #8 - May 11th, 2008 at 8:38pm
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In case you are interested(the tin foil hat unit put on your tin hats)they banned Lead in Hunting Ammo because of a Lawsuit by some envil---- groups. The state is busted, it hasn't got any spare money for Lawyers(it's REALLLY BROKE).A new law was cheaper than a lawsuit. If they tried to do it in ANYTHING ELSE with banning Lead in Bullets, i'm sure it would be crushed.Besides, i showed you that Hunters are a dying species in this State. I think SPG is sore because he can't sell any more Sharps rifles for Hunting in CA, or am i wrong? I am sure that lots of persons don't like handguns in CA, but i do not believe in the JFK or any other lind of conspire's.
  
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Reply #9 - May 12th, 2008 at 7:34am
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This is real.  This is not hidden.  There are folks in california, in my home state of Virginia, or any other state that will go on TV and say ban all guns.  This is not fantasy.  I do not pretend that every lawmaker beleives this, but there are enough that will tell you to your face, that it concerns me.  this is not an underground conspiracy.  Two weeks ago a prominent Va representative railed against handgun carrying by anyone for any purpose(including targets).  This same rep. is against lead, and for serial numbers.  He doesn't hide it.  He will scream it at the top of his lungs any chance he gets.  He is not the only one.

Brad
  
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Reply #10 - May 12th, 2008 at 8:16am
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Yep, if we want to pass this hobby to the next generation we need to be active in our local and national pro gun organizations. Some states are better then others but I know NC and VA have active groups that are help to keep you informed. Here in VA the Virginia Citizen's Defense League is very active in campaigning against and advertising these threats. 

While email is fast and easy letters and phone calls are more effective in getting your point across. Actually rallies, local town meetings, and personal visits to representatives are most effective although not realistic for everyone to do.
  
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Reply #11 - May 12th, 2008 at 8:53am
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Singleshotman,

I had to read your post several times...and I'm still not sure I really understand what you tried to say.

As far as "I think SPG is sore because he can't sell anymore Sharps rifles for hunting in CA, or am I wrong?"...yes, you are wrong.

Am I wrong...that you don't see any problem with banning lead in hunting bullets because fewer and fewer people are hunting in California? I really hope I am.

If I'm not wrong...well, we may just have identified the problem.

Gute Ziele,

Steve
  
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Reply #12 - May 12th, 2008 at 11:01am
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I just meant if we have no numbers we cannot win.1 hunter out of every 140 persons is not enough to impress anyone, esp. a democrat in
Sacramento.There too few shooters left in CA, most of them got tired of endless bills every year and left the state.I still think we can win, but it's a hard fight here.
  
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Re: For those of you who thought you were safe.
Reply #13 - May 12th, 2008 at 12:42pm
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Brad,
Can you please tell me what Representative you are talking about, and what district he represents. I want to be sure I know come the next cycle for his term, and let all other Virginians I know about this.
Tim Kaine almost makes me miss Mark Warner.
This is an Appalachian Mountain state with a long rich heritage in firearms and shooting. I know this is redundant, but if it can happen here, it can happen anywhere! I have even heard they are throwing around banning wood burning stoves in VA. No regard for tradition or its citizens who depend on wood for heat or lead for food. Many still supplement their annual food storage with deer and squirel. MORE THAN A HOBBY, IT IS EXSITANCE! It is economic for them.
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Reply #14 - May 12th, 2008 at 2:35pm
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You folks might want to look at this site. Developed by Jeff and Chris Knox, sons of Neal Knox long time writer for the column "Knox Report" in the Shotgun News. Its for gun voters and letting them know whats going on around in the country that us gun owners should know about. Its just getting going, so not a lot of posts yet but something, we as a group should follow or at least be aware of. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  

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