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Brent
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Best .22 well under $400
May 7th, 2008 at 8:23pm
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So, out of the blue, a friend asks me about a .22 rifle for less than $400 (probably WELL LESS than $400) for general shooting (noncompetitive targets and maybe squirrels eventually).   

Of course, at the moment, I couldn't think of much.  Most of the Crackshots and H&A 722s, Rem #2s are either so poor in condition as to be woefully inaccurate and unreliable, or more money than and darn hard to find.   

A Martini 1215 in good shape might cut it.  But it will be close to over budget and he would really like to be well under that.   

Nothing much comes to mind, except bolts.  And, god, I hate to be caught pushing bolt rifles.  But a 500 series Remington or a CZ repeater would be quite accurate and cheap.  I just can't get past the damn dogleg hanging off the side.   

So, any recommendations?  The guy is about 6'2" or so, so I hate to suggest any of the boys rifle .22 singles.

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Reply #1 - May 7th, 2008 at 9:03pm
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A Marlin 39A lever gun, I have had mine since I was 13.  Not a target rifle, but surprisingly accurate out to 50 yards.  You should choose one at a dealer, not order it, since the wood quality varies widely.  A receiver sight and/or a small .22 scope (closer parallax adjustment) will help with the accuracy.

Other than that, I would probably go for the CZ.
  
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Reply #2 - May 7th, 2008 at 9:06pm
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Marlin 39 or new 1897, Ruger 10/22 with better barrel. Marlin is kinda nostalgic, 10/22 is hands down best squirrel rifle ever IMO. Sorry, no single shot possibilities occur to me unless Contender? Rem 550 is good but accuracy is iffy, Winchester 77 (box mag version) and 74 are both potentially very accurate, with 2 attaching screws either present (77) or possible (74).
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Reply #3 - May 7th, 2008 at 9:38pm
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Well.. I'm a smallbore prone shooter, and on top of that, have a bit of a collection of smallbore target rifles, and a few other "plinkers"... Just to give you a background to support my suggestion.

CZ452 or CZ453 and don't look back!

I don't know their current retail (may push the boundary of that "under $400" number pretty hard).

Fantastic rifles, ADULT sized, made of METAL rather than plastic, and they SHOOT!
At worst, a bit of trigger tuning and bedding, and its an outstanding sporter rifle.   
The newer 453 has a single set trigger, which I have not tried myself, but a friend has and was very impressed (he also has an Anschutz 54 with ounce-range trigger, so that let's you know the measure of what impresses him).

I can't think of anything else in the same "class" as the CZ for construction, style, or accuracy.  A couple of Savage's rimfires compete favorably in accuracy, but damn they's UGLY!

Take this opinion for what you paid for it, but I hope this helps!
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Reply #4 - May 8th, 2008 at 12:40am
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BSA Martini Model 12/15.  Comes with a full size stock, target sights, and with judicious shopping can still be found for $400.  Most have a great trigger, many will have a Parker lined barrel.  Your buddy can shoot single shot matches with it when you infect him, and they're a death from below squirrel rifle.  A good bolt rifle will run you over $400 with no sights.  The only other option would be a Ruger with a better barrel.  And trigger.  And new stock.  And you still have to buy a scope!  Where did that $500 go?   Shocked

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Reply #5 - May 8th, 2008 at 6:05am
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I don't own one but do agree with those who have mentioned the Martini 12/15. Since others have mentioned bolt guns I will mention my favorite, the Savage 23A. Yes, it will have to be drilled and tapped altering it's value but a shooter is better than a "safe queen" which is not going to be worth big bucks anyway. A good 23A will match or beat many if not most of those mentioned for accuracy. An acquaintance has a Kimber 82 of which he is really proud ($600 rifle in the '80s) and my Savage can equal or best it most any day. Plus, it is from an age when even .22 RF rifles were milled, not stamped.
  
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Reply #6 - May 8th, 2008 at 6:22am
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If he doesn't mind a bolt then I agree with Paul_F tell him to get a CZ 452 or 453. The 453 has a set trigger but I had a 452 Lux (long barrel, tangent rear sight, "humpback" stock) that was accurate and much closer to "full size" then most .22s. Since the 453's into the 452s should be easier to find on the used market and are great rifles for the money. If he gets a 10-22 or other current production American .22 he'll need an aftermarket stock and that will jack up the price. The other option is an older used .22 target rifle like the Mossbergs sold by CMP, just make sure the one he finds has all the parts for the rear sight!
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Re: Best .22 well under $400
Reply #7 - May 8th, 2008 at 7:27am
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I'd suggest the Martini as well,  careful shopping should bring him in at the 400 price. but it'll mean hitting the gunshows and maybe the swapp'n tables at a couple matches.

    I know you are not looking at "boys rifles" per se, but you might take a look at those recent Savage/Stevens reissues. I'm not sure which action they recreated but  I picked one up for Wa-a-a-ay under 400 in the 17HMR.  it'll never win any beauty prizes, wood is very plain and wood metal fit is barely so-so,  and the tirgger must have been designed by a BIG team of lawyers.  BUT man does it shoot!!!!!    won't take much to restock and the trigger is tinkerable.
I've been using it to thin out a bunch of problem 'coons at my sisters place--amazing one shot kills.
the 22rf versions might be as accurate.  he might could rebarrel it with a heavier match grade "take-off" barrel, restock and tune it himself---and still be under the 400 limit.   
FWIW:  the local museums in Dowagiac MI has TomShelhammer's favorite 
---one of the larger framed Stevens boys rifles,  all engraved, Niedner-barreled and customstocked (of course).  it is a small and very elegant singleshot that was notoriously "sure death" in his hands among the squirrel and varmint population.
  

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Reply #8 - May 8th, 2008 at 11:14am
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Many thanks guys.  The CZ seems to be a very good candidate although he did some checking and ran into a lot of folks that complained about it's Euro stock.  I thought they came with American styled stocks too.  But anyway, it looks like a good candidate.  I have a friend that is a collector of the 500 series Remingtons from the mid20th century.  I think they might be a good bet for him too.   

I'll keep knocking around but this is very helpful.

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Reply #9 - May 8th, 2008 at 11:52am
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The most accurate .22 I own is a 10-22 Ruger.  Or more exactly was a Ruger to start with.  Under $300.00, trigger job-$35.00, barrel and stock combo- $150.00, original rifle at a pawn shop- $99.00.  This does not include the scope.
It shoots well with cheap ammunition too. A plus for plinking and P dogs.
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Reply #10 - May 8th, 2008 at 12:04pm
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They DO come with an "american style" stocks...
The CZ452 American and CZ453 American models.

The "Lux" and some other models have the euro style (ugly...) stocks.

  
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Reply #11 - May 8th, 2008 at 12:25pm
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I have a 10/22 because I think everyone in these parts is issued one.  haveing said that I don't like bolts or automatics either.   

My vote goes for the 39a for general purpose.  Mine is great and accurate.  Martini would not be a bad choice either.

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Reply #12 - May 8th, 2008 at 4:04pm
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The most accurate .22 I own is a 10-22 Ruger.  
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I too own a 10/22 and compared to other .22 rifles I own, 10/22 and accurate don't go together, at least in factory form. Mine is pretty new and garden variety configuration.
  
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Reply #13 - May 8th, 2008 at 5:19pm
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The most accurate .22 I own is a 10-22 Ruger.  
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I too own a 10/22 and compared to other .22 rifles I own, 10/22 and accurate don't go together, at least in factory form. Mine is pretty new and garden variety configuration.


Mine is not factory. Trigger job and barrel made the difference.  Last week end a friend came over to sight in his Rem Nylon 66 he just put a scope on.  I took the Ruger and put 10 shots in a 3/4" circle in 10 seconds off of a bench.  This was close as it was only 50 yds.  Garden variety Rem hollow point bulk pack bullets.

I'm not really sure what it will do if I use the right ammo and I took my time shooting it.  I do know a sparrow is not safe in my cherry trees at 100 yds.
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Reply #14 - May 8th, 2008 at 6:26pm
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Get one of those Rem 513T from the DCM ( or whatever they're called now?) They sell for $400 I believe, and are top notch guns. I see them new in the box still at local gun shows every few months for around $400+- and a friend bought one recently. We took it to the range and it keeps them all inside an inch at 50 yds.
I have one of those CZ 452 Americans also. Mine was $320, and it is extremely accurate, well built, and very nicely finished. The wood is also a very high grade, and has nice cut checkering.
  
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Reply #15 - May 8th, 2008 at 7:54pm
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I built 4 different 10/22s for 3 nephews and a friend, with 4 different combinations of barrels, stocks and triggers. Best, by far, was the one with the original Ruger 'Sporter' stock, a reworked Ruger trigger and a 
Voquartsen 'forward balance' or similar name barrel. On the 4 rifles I used the 'Sporter' & 'Carbine' Ruger stocks and a Butler Creek folder and a Fajen brush-hook style stock; 2 different-style Volquartsen barrels and a GM barrel and a cutdown 513T barrel; one Volquartsen trigger assembly, 2 altered Ruger triggers and one Jewell assembly.

The Voquartsen and Jewell trigger assemblies couldn't be set heavy enough (!) for squirrel hunting, far too dangerous IMO. The 2-stage design doesn't lend itself to extremely light pulls in cold weather, my big fat fingers fired the rifle unexpectedly a few times which was a few times too many. The fat straight barrels are too muzzle-heavy and just plain too heavy; the Volquartsen shorter 'forward balance' (or whatever name) barrel is just perfect for both weight and balance IMO, it's the std size back in the stock's barrel channel but swells into full dia out past the forend tip, and it's short enough to be light enough to carry comfortably yet hangs well from the offhand. My nephew's with the short barrel will hold 0.65 MOA with Tenex and 0.85 MOA with Eley Subsonic, all the other 3 will do about as well but are heavier and ill-balanced. Factory barrels won't even make good tomato stakes in most cases, we use 'em for trot-line sinkers.

Cost? 10/22 with Sporter stock, at gun shows, ~$150-175. Trigger job on Ruger trigger, ~$75 depending. Barrel, $80-250 depending. Yeah, you can spend a heckuvalot more on the little Ruger but the rest is mainly window dressing IMO.

However I personally hunt squirrels with a low wall and an original Marlin 1897. Haven't used a shotgun on squirrels since 1971.
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Re: Best .22 well under $400
Reply #16 - May 8th, 2008 at 8:38pm
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The Remington 510, 511, or 512 makes a good hunting rifle for $125 to $225. A 513 T on the higher end can be had for $400 if you shop around. You might be able to find a Stevens 44 in .22 LR with a good bore and an average exterior but $400 is on the low side for these guns.
  
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Reply #17 - May 9th, 2008 at 6:12am
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My lil ole Savage don't get no respect! I have not tried all target ammo but with winchester Power Point (discontinued?) ammo I have seen   groups a bit under 1/2 " at 50 yds. Betwwen 1/2 and 5/8 inch is more common. Rem 510 series are good too but mine lags behind the Savage. Don't overlook the Marlin 80/580 series in bolt guns either. I do, of course, recommend the Marlin 39 also.
  
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Reply #18 - May 9th, 2008 at 7:58am
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IF U DONT GET IN A HURRY AND LOOK AROUND U SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND A 12/15 MARTINI IN UR PRICE RANGE. IT WILL APPRECIATE AND DO THE JOB ALSO.  MINE IS NOT PARTICULAR ABOUT AMMO EITHER HAPPY WITH WALLY WORLD BULK WHATEVER ON SALE.THOUGHT MY DIME SIZE GROUPS AT 50YDS EXCEPTIONAL TILL I GOT THE INTERNATIONAL. TRY THAD SCOTT IN MISSISSIPPI. HE MAY HAVE A BEATER AT A GOOD PRICE. 
I ALSO HAVE SAVAGEA 23A THAT SHOOTS REAL GOOD BUT ITS A LONG WAY FROM A 12/15.
  
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Reply #19 - May 9th, 2008 at 8:10am
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Thanks, I will look into the Savage and keep an eye out for a Martini.  Thad Scott is, I believe, out of business (retired?).   

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Re: Best .22 well under $400
Reply #20 - May 9th, 2008 at 8:19am
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In Smallbore Silhouette and low priced CZ's do the best.  Used bolt actions some of the older Remingtons are the ones to have. New ones are not so good. Hunting and plinking best value for the money, Marlin 39's

While I am a single shot fan have never been real attracted to the Martinis

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