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thop Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 271 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2008	Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Apr 27^th, 2008 at 9:43pm	Print Post
	I had my Hiwall Winder Musket apart today for cleaning and I noticed the markings on the breach block. It was stamped with a 22 on the right hand side and the left hand side was stamped .005. Does anyone know the significant of the .005 marking? Is it related to headspace? THOP

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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4003 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Reply #1 - Apr 27^th, 2008 at 9:56pm	Print Post
	'deed it is! That number should have had a + or a - with it, and they were indeed used for assembling rimfire high-walls with minimal headspace. I have never seen these markings on any but the .22 high-walls, though. Froggie


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thop Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 271 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2008	Re: Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Reply #2 - Apr 27^th, 2008 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the reply Froggie. I have had it apart several times but never payed any attention to it before. There is a dash in front of the .005 so I assume by your description it is a minus sign. I tried to post a picture but the attachment gods are not coorperating. I knew someone would have the answer in their hip pocket. Thanks again. THOP

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thop Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 271 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2008	Re: Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Reply #3 - Apr 28^th, 2008 at 8:22pm	Print Post
	Froggie I finally got an attachment to work. Here is the markings I was referring to. THOP

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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4003 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Reply #4 - Apr 28^th, 2008 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	That's the same mark I was referring to. I believe it is described and explained to some degree in Campbell's second book on 'walls, but my copy is on loan to a very good friend right now, so I can't look it up for you. Maybe somebody else has a copy handy. Froggie


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mdeland Ex Member	Re: Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Reply #5 - Apr 29^th, 2008 at 12:01am	Print Post
	What does the -.005 mean in relation to headspace? MD


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2827 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Reply #6 - Apr 29^th, 2008 at 2:08am	Print Post
	Froggie, I have been sitting here for an hour with both volumes of Campbell and cannot find your reference. Yes, I opened the books and looked through them. I even tried the indices. I am sure you are correct, but I have had no luck so far. Waterman


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J.D.Steele Ex Member	Re: Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Reply #7 - Apr 29^th, 2008 at 9:18am	Print Post
	The number is the headspace dimension change from the standard. I've seen this dimension marked on every Winder low wall block I've ever owned or disassembled, and indeed it indicates a headspace dimension that's tighter by approxomately the indicated amount. Most blocks have also shown a vertical slash through the horizontal mark, appearing to change the 'minus' sign into a 'plus' sign. I've used these 0.005" blocks in several cases to achieve much tighter headspace, they're handy. Good luck, Joe


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4003 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Reply #8 - Apr 29^th, 2008 at 9:48am	Print Post
	Waterman, John may have put that info in his old column in SSR Journal, or I may have seen it elsewhere, but since I don't have access right now to my copies of his books I'll just have to say I don't know. From the info posted by JDS, my info was apparently correct, it's just that I am unsure about my source. Froggie


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vbull Full Member Offline Posts: 107 Location: Lake George, Champlain region Joined: Sep 19^th, 2004	Re: Winder Musket Breach Block Markings Reply #9 - Apr 29^th, 2008 at 12:39pm	Print Post
	Well, you made me go look. I checked my Hiwall Winder musket and there are markings but not like what is described. On one side is the number 22. On the other is a square with the number 1 inside. Below that is a triangle with the number 1 inside. Just to the right of the triangle is a capitol "C " . This side looks like proof marks. Frank M.


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