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Apr 16th, 2008 at 7:09pm
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SmileyDoes anyone out there have a supplier for tap and dies for original Marlin Ballard screws? Thanks
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 16th, 2008 at 7:41pm
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Do you know what the thread is? Many used fractional screws, or number screws with threads that are no longer standard, but there are quite a few suppliers of special taps and dies.

Wholesale Tools, Victor Tools and MSC to name a few are good places to start. Most tool houses can supply specials, but you might have to contact them as they are not listed in the catalogs.
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 16th, 2008 at 8:55pm
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I think the issue with 19th century gun screws is that standardization had not progressed very far yet.  This was fairly near the dawn of the machine age and factories made their own parts like screws.  They were hopefully interchangeable with other pieces from the same factory, but that might be as far as it went. 

If you want replacement screws that really fit you would seem to have two choices: 
Either buy them from someone who lathe turns them individually, or from one of the specialist restoration suppliers like Cedar Creek who has had the tooling (dies) made to duplicate the originals.

my 2 cents worth
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 16th, 2008 at 11:50pm
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ooltewa, Its a little late this eve for me to have my 'thinkin cap' on, but marlin ballard liked 40 thread for just about every thing. If you have access to a small lathe, all you'll need is a handful of small adjustable dies no. 4,5,6,8,10,&12. All are 40 thd. They must be the adjustable type because I think at the time, they they were designed as fractional dimension screws, but the adjustable die will open up enough to accomodate the next up fractional size. Probably, some fellows on this forum, can tell you just what the fractions are but theres no trick to it. Just mike up the old screw at an unworn point and match that. I,ve been making them this way for a lot of years. Nos. 8,10, & 12 are the sizes you need for the action parts. The other sizes only rarely. Good luck, hoot
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 17th, 2008 at 12:01am
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Sorry about the double post. Thats the second time thats happened. I only clicked post once but had run out of log time. I guess when I logged in again, it posted again ?? I'm new at this. hoot
  
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Re: Marlin Ballard screws
Reply #5 - Apr 17th, 2008 at 1:01am
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Reply #6 - Apr 17th, 2008 at 7:54am
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The adjustable dies are a good tip, and most will permit enough adjustment to adapt. Fractional threads would go as small as 32's, and at that point are little different than numbered machine screw sizes. 

Taps and dies are not difficult to make if you have access to a lathe, and special sizes are fairly readily available if you do not.
  

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Reply #7 - Apr 17th, 2008 at 7:59am
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Ooltewa.
I have contact information for a fellow that makes Ballard screws to order. PM me if you are interested. I'm not sure that he wants his phone number public. Check YOUR PM.

Bill
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 17th, 2008 at 9:42am
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Thanks to all for the valuable advice. Will prob. try the adjustable dies first. Smiley
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 17th, 2008 at 8:57pm
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Thanks westerner, I learn a little every day.  hoot
  
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Re: Marlin Ballard screws
Reply #10 - May 3rd, 2008 at 8:07am
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Hi everyone, I'm a new member here. I happen to keep a small machine shop as part of my furnituremaking/millwork business. A benifit of this is that I can do my own gun restoration/smithing, and lathe cut screws as necessary. I would gladly swap screw-replication for tin and/or pure lead.

I'll try to take a pic of some of the little buggers if anyone is interested.

MM


  
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Re: Marlin Ballard screws
Reply #11 - Nov 17th, 2008 at 9:05am
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Gentlemen: In those early days, we in the US didn't have the best of tooling. Consequently most of the larger manufacturers bought their machinery from England. So it is quite likely that those odd sizes are Whitworth. English standard. Just my 2 cents, thought I'd add a little food for thought.   Don
  
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