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RB Rodda Martini
Apr 6th, 2008 at 4:38pm
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I'm looking for information on a rifle I recently picked up. I'm pretty green when it comes to foreign singleshot rifles. 
This is a Martini, marked "Made in Belgium" and "RB Rodda and CO. Calcutta" Also, "Francotte's Patent" and "The Deerstalker"
It is an engraved takedown, with 28" full octagon barrel, and express three leaf sight. It was once checkered, but that's nearly worn off. Caliber is .310 Cadet, marked 7.62 under the forearm wood.
Can anyone add any info on this gun?-Vall

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Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2008 at 8:17pm
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It looks a lot like this one

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I bought it a couple of months back, I have heard that Francotte was the originator of the cadet action. The one I have is rebarreled to a 357 Mag but still has the original wood. The rear sight was gone and I would be interested in seeing the sight on yours. Mine has a Birmingham view mark on the breech block, no makers name except for the Francottes Patent mark like yours has, different number under it, I guess it is the serial#. Really a nice made action and stock work.

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Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2008 at 9:33pm
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There are a number of “improved” Martini designs and one of the more successful and popular ones was the Francotte patent, where the guts of the action can be removed as one unit by removing a single screw….which is indeed a big improvement.  Belgium was of course one of the bigger producers of Martini style sporting rifles with many if not most of them made for the British and colonial trade.  I can see the Liege proofmark in one of the photos and I assume it also bears British proofs as well, since it was evidently retailed in India by the RB Rodda and CO.  Since this style of sporting arm was produced in whatever form and markings as any given retailer wanted, there really is not much significance attached to the vast majority of the trade names and such, since there was a wide variety found on essentially the same rifles from the same factory made at about the same time.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 7th, 2008 at 7:36pm
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Thanks Rich and Jim! Yes, it does have British proof marks.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2008 at 6:42am
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And yes, in its day the .310 was considered to be a good round for smaller deer out to 200-300yds.  Nowadays, we would barely call it suitable for varmints and rabbits...  It is a very good round, however.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2008 at 9:45am
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We must keep in mind that, in much of the UK, the deer are in the 50-90 lb weight range. IOW about the size of a large dog, and thus the 310 cartridge would seem more effective than if used for that purpose among larger deer. Remember, the similar 32-20 WCF has killed many, many (larger) deer over here in North America.
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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2008 at 6:41pm
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We must keep in mind that, in much of the UK, the deer are in the 50-90 lb weight range. IOW about the size of a large dog, and thus the 310 cartridge would seem more effective than if used for that purpose among larger deer. Remember, the similar 32-20 WCF has killed many, many (larger) deer over here in North America.
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Not quite correct Joe, In Britain the commonest species of deer is The Roe Deer, weight 40 - 63 lbs, depending on the sex of the animal.

The largest species here, the Red Deer, weighs in between between 264 - 418 lbs, again depending on the sex of the animal. 

The Roe Deer is a forest dweller and is usually shot at fairly close range, most often well under 100 yards. 

Fallow Deer come midway in the weight range between Roe and Red Deer.

The Red Deer is a moorland/mountain dweller, a very difficult animal to stalk when the only cover is short Heather, and is usually shot at ranges of 150 - 250 yards. The .310" round would not be a good cartridge to select for this species. 

In fact in the UK under The Deer Act 1991 the .310" is likely to be an illegal round to use for shooting deer of any species in Britain where a minimum muzzle energy of 1.700 ft pounds is required and only soft nose or hollow point bullets are allowed.

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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2008 at 9:24pm
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Thank you all! I hadn't thought about the size difference in deer. I'm used to our Mule deer, so I was thinking bigger.-Vall
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2008 at 10:39pm
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Sorry for the misinformation, Gert. My estimate came from conversations with my friend Zimjohn Taylor (John Taylor originally of Zimbabwe). He's a retired UK army officer who, when he was a serving officer in England, was tasked with killing a certain minimum number of the smaller Roe deer. This was due to the game laws which had ensured a massive overpopulation of the species with all the concurrent problems in a populated area. John used a 257 Roberts to very good effect.

I believe his quota could have been as many as 4 deer per month, and he was expected to eat all the meat. I remember that he said he and his wife sometimes got very tired of venison!
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Reply #9 - Apr 9th, 2008 at 1:04pm
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Harry,

If my memory does not fail me from my Jager Brief classes I took in Berlin in the '70s, the Red Deer is actually the same animal as an Elk (Wapiti) in the U.S.  I probably wouldn't hunt Elk with a .310 either, even though there ar probably those skilled enough to bring one down with one.

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Reply #10 - Apr 9th, 2008 at 5:25pm
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thop wrote on Apr 9th, 2008 at 1:04pm:
Harry,

If my memory does not fail me from my Jager Brief classes I took in Berlin in the '70s, the Red Deer is actually the same animal as an Elk (Wapiti) in the U.S.  I probably wouldn't hunt Elk with a .310 either, even though there are probably those skilled enough to bring one down with one.

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Hello Thop,

The British Red Deer Cervus elaphus was indeed, until fairly recently, considered to be the same species as the North American Elk (Wapiti) but recent DNA testing has shown that they are actually two seperate species. They both belong to the same Genus, Cervus, but the specific name for the NA Elk is canadensis.

I suspect they both taste very much the same though.  Tongue

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