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Bepolucki
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Apr 5th, 2008 at 11:55pm
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Looking at an original Winchester Highwall for a project. It appears to be complete, but someone took it apart and did not get it back together correctly. It has serviceable wood on it, but is not original. No finish left on action or barrel.  Barrel is heavy,octagon, marked 40 EX- There may be more but I did not have time to inspect further. 

It has dings and scratches, but I think it would clean up OK, what would be a reasonable price for this?
  
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Re: Highwall
Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2008 at 4:36am
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Thats a good question.  

Just after moving to Tacoma in 1987 I was making the rounds through all the pawnshops in town looking for singleshots.  I found a 44 Ideal Stevens that had an ejector extractor and it was a nice clean rifle. The bore was gone like most of them. I wanted to make a .22 offhand rifle the same weight as my ceneterfire. Bud, the fellow behind the counter wanted $ 450.00 dollars for it. About $300.00 more than it was worth, to me.  But it was a crisp clean action with an ejector. I decided to get that Stevens for the right price no matter what.  I told Bud that I was up on the price of those types of rifle's and that I didnt think he would ever get that kind of money for it.  That didnt phaze him at all. He countered with , well what would you offer me? I told him $200.00.
Well that didnt go over to well and the rifle went back in the rack. He went to another customer  and ignored me.  So what I did was everytime I went by that pawn shop I'd stop in to see that Stevens. I was always nice to Bud and always asked to see that same Stevens. Every time I went in I'd offer him $200.00 for it. Sometime's I'd be in the store for an hour with Bud and that Stevens. We went around and around and around about the price everytime I went in there. I always offered him $200.00 for it, cash.  About six months later and at about the 25th visit to fondle the Stevens, I remember seeing Buds face as I came through the door yelling, Where's Bud ! ? I wanna see that rifle one more time!  It was almost like, a look of panic, then his face got red. 
Then he sorta relaxed and leaned against the display case. He looked at me with absolute disgust, then reached around and pulled the Stevens out of the rack and held it out and yelled give me your Godamned $200.00 dollars!!  I gave him the money and I took the Stevens home. I built the rifle I wanted and still shoot it in the .22 match's.  

I'd offer the guy $325.00.  After all you dont know the condition of the breechblock. It might need to be bushed. You dont know if all the parts are in the action. Some parts may have been broken or customized by a hamhanded home smith.  You didnt really give enough information on it either. Your question is like asking, what is the best rifle?  Offer him what you think its worth and what you can afford. Be nice, be persistant.    Smiley




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Re: Highwall
Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2008 at 6:56am
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When you say, "It appears to be complete, but someone took it apart and did not get it back together correctly." that covers a wide array of possibilities.  I would need to know whether the action works as it should, whether pieces are mismatched, etc.  In short, what makes you think it is not back together correctly?  Either it is all there and will work, or something makes you know it is wrong.  As Joe said, a low ball price is probably in order, but even as an almost complete action (as long as there is no structural damage) is worth the price Joe mentioned for parts or a starting point to build an action on.  BTW, what price did the seller place on it?

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Reply #3 - Apr 6th, 2008 at 10:36am
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He did not know what he wanted for it, yet. Has had it for quite a few years, sitting in the corner of his workroom. I guess he was waiting for me to make an offer then start bartering. It probably won't be cheap. He also had a Husqsvarna rolling block that had seen better days - he started at $650 for that. 

As far as the action, it does not work. As the lever is closed there is increasing spring pressure. The action would not stay closed.

As You have already surmised, I don't know a whole lot about single shots- probably don't even know the right questions to ask, but am interested in learning about them. My previous experience was with dismanteling a Fox and a Parker double, that I owned. Dismantelled both and repaired both satisfactorily. I am sure there will be work that is beyond my capabilities, and I can recognise/accept that.

Where could I find information about the caliber?
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Re: Highwall
Reply #4 - Apr 6th, 2008 at 1:41pm
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From the added description, it sounds like the mainspring (if it is a flat-spring action) is in the wrong position. If the tip gets below the toe of the nose of the hammer during reassembly, you will have the symptoms you describe if you don't break something outright!  Shocked

If you remove the fore end and take out the mainspring, then reinstall it with the lever closed all the way, that may eliminate your problem, IF nothing got bent or broken in the process.  Undecided  If it's a coil spring action, you probably will find the lever plunger and spring and/or the mainspring placement in the hammer/block sub-assembly are wrongly assembled.  Other than destroying a coil spring (which again will be hard to replace) the rest of that shouldn't be too bad to fix.  Smiley

If you think the action is pretty complete without any other damage or missing parts, I would go a little higher than previously posted... maybe start at $350 and go up to maybe $500 or so if, and again I say if it seems like that is all that is wrong with it and the outside looks OK and free of the abuse from whoever put it together wrong and whoever let him.  Wink  Since I have the parts it would be likely to need (probably) I would think seriously about offering $500 if I could look at it and assure myself that was the extent of its problems.  JMHO, and worth almost as much as you paid for it!  Grin Grin Grin

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PS  If it's anywhere near Central VA and you decide you don't want it...
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 12th, 2008 at 1:52pm
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Where could I find information about the caliber?
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The Winchester 40 EX. (40-110-260 Express) was created specifically for the Winchester Single Shot (Model 1885). It was introduced in 1886, uses a 3.25" tapered case, and launched the 260 grain bullet at 1555 fps.

It is a rarely encountered cartridge today, as Winchester did not make many of them (less than 200). Personally, it would be a shame to tear it apart for a project rifle.

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Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2008 at 11:06pm
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Thanks, I appreciate the responses. All very helpful. I will keep you posted about the gun. Thanks again.
  
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