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J.D.Steele
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Reply #15 - Mar 31st, 2008 at 8:46pm
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Interesting that you feel the "guns are the dog". I don't recall tennis players talking much about their racquets nor baseball players about their bats. It was always about performance.

fred


It's about my own performance but within guidelines. If it was about pure performance per se, I'd be shooting in some sort of unlimited competition where the actual performance levels far, far surpass ours in Schuetzen (simply because of the equipment used among other things).

So yes, the rifles will always be the dog for me. Apparently they were also the dog for the original members who initially began the ASSRA, because there is no mention in the Mission Statement about preserving or indeed engaging in any sort of competition at all, much less any particular narrowly-defined type of competition. The emphasis is on the rifles. The club's name is the American Single Shot Rifle Association, not the American Standing Shooters Rifle Association.

We are the ASSRA and Schuetzen is & will always be one of our main & most-cherished pastimes. But, first and foremost IMO, we are the ASSRA.
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Reply #16 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 2:05am
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glad winter is almost over, and shooting season is just around the corner.. seems every year when it's been a looong winter and cabin fever is at it's worst, we get to nit picking the rules and the opinion of others..

think when  spring finally does come and the first shooting sesion takes place.. all this will go away.. Wink and will be forgotten till the next bout of cabin fever sets in next year..

of course this is just my opion.. Grin Grin

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Re: ASSRA VP's comments Journal March/April 2008
Reply #17 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 12:14pm
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I guess I would argue the in the beginning that the rifle was the dog. The proformance sure had a lot of bets wagered against it, don't recall the rifles being mentioned other then the advantages of some over others. Wow that sounds like us, except the large wagers.
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 1:13pm
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Lessee, the rifle of my dreams....falling block, electronic ignition, electronic trigger, composite barrel w/ the highest-tech tuner - all in a one-piece glass/kevlar candy apple red BR stock. Whadaya mean, it's still a single shot ain't it? Harry woulda iffn he had one ,right?
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Re: ASSRA VP's comments Journal March/April 2008
Reply #19 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 2:41pm
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You fergot deer whistles !  Could come in handy in a big blow!

And twin triangulating lazers.      Cheesy   Tilt buzzers ?

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Reply #20 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 4:36pm
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DonH, Westerner, What you are saying re: spaceguns, is that theme attributed to the late P.T. Barnum, founder of the American circus. In essence, "you will never lose money underestimating the public's taste".
Excuse me for now, I've got to go watch Montel Williams.

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Re: ASSRA VP's comments Journal March/April 2008
Reply #21 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 5:09pm
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Just havin fun Fred. 
 I am all for space guns and traditional guns.  I do think it a good Idea to have seperate class's for them to compete in.  Just think of all the space aged,  tricked out  stuff you could do to an open class rifle.  I'd like one with a scope that automaticly fires the round when the crosshairs touch the red bull.  Might have a few crossfire's until the transponder is calibrated.  Of course each target will need it's own microchip. Hell, it's the future man !!  Lets do it !!!! Cheesy Smiley



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Re: ASSRA VP's comments Journal March/April 2008
Reply #22 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 1:50pm
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Ya know, there is a small club in southern Wisconsin (Black Earth) that has been having regular 200 yd offhand shooting matchs every month since 1892. Anything is allowed (equipment) and there is a preference for 22rf. Although on any give match there will be single shots, Savage 99s, Winchester 52s, highpower jacketed, etc. The historical pictures show mostly lever guns but some highwalls. Everone enjoys themselves and it is anybodies guess as to the winner (especially on good weather days).

IMHO, the great thing about ASSRA (or was it Coors) are the basic rules: a) plain based bullets only. b) Seasonal clothing. And as far as I am concerned RF and CF should both be allowed. This pretty much sets reasonable limits on equipment. Action type is a matter of preference (I shoot a 44.5 but would rather it a Ballard) with bolt guns being OK. This is the way to get the most people started in the game. Most will move to traditional equipment anyway. And, if you think the other guy beat you because of equipment "you probably woudn't have beat him with equivalent hardware".

Oh, and by the way, they made single shot bolt guns before 1917.

Sorry, but focus on prospective, we do this for the fun and the people.
  
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Re: ASSRA VP's comments Journal March/April 2008
Reply #23 - Apr 4th, 2008 at 6:39am
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I have not read those comments. (I let my subscription lapse while living overseas but will be rejoining this summer when we move back.) My comments are in response to some of the posts in this thread.

I think it two faced that Ruger No.1's are allowed but Remington 40-X's are not. The No.1 is not a copy of a British single shot; it has some of the styling cues, nothing more. It's toggle link is unique and was worthy of a modern patent. As has been mentioned, there were many single shot bolt guns in the late 1800s, and the Remington 40-X is little different.

Nor have I sympathy for the bans on jacketed bullets. Cartridges of the World records the .40-110 Winchester was designed for their Model 1885 and that it used metal jacketed bullets. It was the Weatherby of its day, and I have no doubt it was used in some single shot matches.

I feel the ASSRA should retain strong support for the types of matches it currently has, but it should also open other matches for all the gun and bullet technologies known in the era in question. Frankly, little new has happened in the last 100 years, so I see little need to ban anything, except perhaps plastic stocks.

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Re: ASSRA VP's comments Journal March/April 2008
Reply #24 - Apr 4th, 2008 at 7:17am
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I shoot a traditional reproduction, In offhand Hudson matches it gives away a few points to a completely modern Schuetzen.  Guessing only 20 total ? The short cases are inherently more accurate and faster lock time/shorter barrels are an advantage. 36x scope is a big advantage too. 

It would be good to be classed separately but can see the problem Schuetzenmasters have, not enough offhand shooters anyway and if you dilute it more your placing in a match becomes irrelevant. Like many of us I shoot for personal satisfaction and if a Modern action rifle outshots me it's no problem.  Makes me feel a bit better when I out shoot them.  Personally the "Race" single shots are interesting but would not want to bring one home to meet the family

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Re: ASSRA VP's comments Journal March/April 2008
Reply #25 - Apr 4th, 2008 at 3:46pm
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Karl, 
and I thought I was radical !!  I doubt the 40/110 was ever shot in a match.  Maybe the ASSRA should take over the NRAs match's?
Dont hold your breath.  I hate those plastic stock's too !!!   Angry



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Re: ASSRA VP's comments Journal March/April 2008
Reply #26 - Apr 4th, 2008 at 8:07pm
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There will always be several trains of thought when it comes to competitive shooting, regardless of what the venue is.
There are those who love the bells and whistles, so they get everything they can, and wrap it up into their shooting box, or rifle to compete. There are also those who just want to shoot with the basics, and seem content to compete with themselves; striving just to get better than they were the week before.
Finally there's me! I just enjoy shooting. Don't care if I shoot better than the week before, or if I shoot better than the guy next to me. I do enjoy shooting old singleshot rifles, but I couldn't care less if they are schuetzen rifles, .22's, or buffalo guns. It's all the same, and it's all fun. Wink
  
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