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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2849 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Mar 28^th, 2008 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	Sometime back a member on this forum asked to identify a Lyman sight. Consenseus was it was probably a Lyman 144 used only on the Stevens Walnut Hill rifles after 1932. I subsequently bought the sight in question. Nice sight but I am still trying to positively identify it before I install it on my Walnut Hill. The windage click adjustable base is similar to a Lyman 103 that I have but the casting is slightly smaller with 1 or 2 other minor variations. The stem is the right height but does not have the click a with the graduated collar that the 103 has. My brochure on the Walnut Hill states that it has click adjustable windage and elevation. The picture is not really clear but looks like it has the graduated collar. Saw one on Ebay recently that the guy was told it was a 144 that had the graduated collar on the stem with the same height stem as mine. Windage knob looked larger than my 103 and my supposed 144. Lost it in the last 7 seconds of the auction. Anybody out there got a sight they know is a 144? Stroeble's book has a description that states click adjustable windage and elevation but no picture. If it is a 144 it goes on the Walnut Hill. If not it goes on my 44 in .32-20. It could be a 103 with a No 2 stem but the smaller base I am not sure of. Both have the 1.5" hole spacing. Please advise.


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J.D.Steele Ex Member	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #1 - Mar 28^th, 2008 at 11:00pm	Print Post
	I already done tole you all I know about the 144, which I got from an advanced Stevens collector in Fla. Strictly hearsay. Another tidbit about the 103s: I own 103s with two different elevation racks on the vertical staffs. One has the common (very pronounced rack teeth) rack with the rack being a prominent separate piece unobtrusively slotted into the staff, while the other has the rack machined directly into the staff with the teeth of the rack being quite low. Different barrels of course but the bases appear to be basically the same. The more common staff with the pronounced teeth will interchange onto any No 1 or 2 Lyman, while I've seen the other on only the 103s and the Range Control sights. Point being that the Lyman sights were produced over such a long time span that some of the details and non-critical dimensions & shapes are sure to have changed. And of course, like most all other collector books, the Stroebel ones have some errors both of commission and omission. They're the best I've seen but they ain't perfect. Good luck, Joe


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dead_eye Ex Member	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #2 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:37am	Print Post
	can you post a picture of the site and i will check my book and get a hold of a friend that is the go to guy for lyman. thanks dead_eye


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #3 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:43am	Print Post
	Slumlord 44, Mr. Steele is quite correct in the 103 information he has given at various times. The windage adjustable tang sight as currently produced by Marbles might be considered a modified step-child of the Lyman 144. BP

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dead_eye Ex Member	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #4 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 12:52am	Print Post
	can i get a pic of the right side please? is there anything stamped on the bottom of the sight? if so what is it. thanks


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #5 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:10am	Print Post
	Alright, posting multiple pics didn't fly so here's a planview image of the 144 to go with the previous pic . The 144 elevation assembly drifts left-right on a threaded shaft, and the graduated windage knob is separate (held to the shaft by 2 screws). The 144 did not use the Lyman 1A/2A style lock nor the windage dovetail movement as is present in the 103. However, the 144 does use the 103 style elevation detent with graduated sleeve. Short version... elevation is the same as the 103, windage is different. Regards, BP

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #6 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:54am	Print Post
	Hello dead-eye, First off, thank you kindly for the excellent scope design info you've provided. Here's a pic of the 144 right side. I'll send the final two views in a minute or so. How do I attach multiple pics to a single post? BP

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #7 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 1:56am	Print Post
	Lyman 144 port-side:

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #8 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 2:22am	Print Post
	And the bottom pic. I have never seen a letter code stamped on the bottom of a 144. The history I've "heard" is that Lyman sold these directly to Stevens, but not to the general public. Nor do I recall seeing Stevens literature advertising the 144 for sale as a separate component. I'm guessing that since Lyman and Stevens knew exactly which series the 144 was intended for, Lyman didn't need to code the sight, and was able to save themselves the cost of a labor operation. Hope this all helps. BP

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J.D.Steele Ex Member	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #9 - Mar 29^th, 2008 at 11:20am	Print Post
	Here's a view of the two different types of elevation stems and barrels I've observed on the 103s. Actually the prominent-tooth one with the windage stem is a Range Control barrel assembly with the windage stem added, but the elevation part of the stem and its barrel are the same as most of the 103s I've observed. The other one with the smaller lower gear teeth is the much-less-common type. The entire barrel assemblies will interchange with the standard No 1A & 2A original Lyman sights, and this is where the Range Control sight originated. Most of the parts will swap with no problem but the actual elevation stems of the smaller-tooth 103s will fit only their special barrels. The elevation stems of the larger-tooth 103s will swap with the elevation stems of the standard No 1, 1A, 2 and 2A. The only parts of the 144 that will interchange with others are the bare elevation stems, even the knobs are different. HTH, Joe


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2849 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #10 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 12:33am	Print Post
	Thank you all for the information. The sight that I have is definately not a 144. It is either a varaition of the 103 or a modified 103. Now I know. Will use it on one of my other Stevens and all is well. Still looking for a 144 for my Walnut Hill. The one on Ebay last week was a 144. Printed pictues and matches the 144 pictured on BP's post. Thanks again for the input gentleman.


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2849 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #11 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 12:38am	Print Post
	BP - If you ever decide to part with that 144 sight, let me know.


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vigillinus Ex Member	Re: Identifying Lyman 144 Sight Reply #12 - Mar 30^th, 2008 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	IMO 144 far superior to 103 Parker Hale better than either


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