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Jagermeister
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C.C. Johnson
Mar 28th, 2008 at 9:01am
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I have a friend that has a CC Johnson in the 219 Donaldson Wasp caliber with a 10 power Lyman target scope for sale. I think the rifle is built on a Martini action and I can see proof marks on the receiver. Is this action strong enough for standard 219 Don. Wasp loads? The rifle is in very good condition. It has a beavertail forearm and a bulky butt stock with a wide pattern checkering. I would like to know what would be a fair price for this rifle and scope.  Thank you.
  
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Re: C.C. Johnson
Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2008 at 9:09am
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There's Martinis and there's Martinis.   Roll Eyes  We'll need photos to be able to make any sort of semi-intelligent comments about suitability of a particular Martini for the Wasp, also to be able to give any reasonable SWAG about value.

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Re: C.C. Johnson
Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2008 at 9:10am
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Post a picture.  I have a mental picture and its fuzzy. Does it have screws in the forestock?

Pictures.   

Yes Martini's are strong enough for the cartridge. 

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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2008 at 10:51am
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The Martini actions are plenty strong, but the diameter of the barrel shanks are the limiting factor here.

IMO the large Martini will give no problems with this cartridge with full loads, but the smaller dia of the Cadet shank means IMO you should limit it to the 40K psi level because of the relatively large head size of the case.

Johnson's metalwork is always impeccable but the woodwork on his rifles is frequently awful since he didn't do it himself. I'd be surprised if it was attractive.

Scope $400-500, rifle $500-1000, depending, unless the woodwork is much better-looking than the other Johnson rifles I've seen and owned.
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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2008 at 8:09pm
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good old cc was a pretty smart fella. if the martini couldn't handle the wasp, mr johnson wouldn't have built it..

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Reply #5 - Mar 31st, 2008 at 6:34pm
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I had a chance to look at the CC Johnson again today.  I was way off on the action. The action is a Borchart-Sharps serial no. 8731. It has some sort of a set trigger. I took the forearm off by removing the swivel stud and the barrel no. is 45220 DLR or OLR. R2 is also stamped on the barrel. The caliber is 219 Donaldson Wasp. The scope is a Lyman 5A. The overall condition of the rifle is very good with I would say an excellent bore. The swivel stud is screwed into a barrel band which has been brazed at some point in time. They are asking $1750.00 for the rifle and I would like to own it but I need some more input about the rifle and the value. Thank you.
  
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Re: C.C. Johnson
Reply #6 - Mar 31st, 2008 at 9:25pm
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The thing you are referring to as "some sort of set trigger" may be the safety.  Is it a sort of reverse curved trigger looking thing in the very front of the trigger guard?

I forget the way Charley's grandson Jerry told us how to interpret the numbers but it has to do with the job number and the year it was done.  He may show up on this board as he does from time to time and fill you in on that since he still has most of his grandfather's shop records and has been most generous in the past sharing that information with current owners of Johnson's work.

The Lyman scope isn't a bad little addition either!  It isn't as valuable as a Super TargetSpot, but they don't come cheap!!

All in all, I would guess that $1750 is a pretty good price, but then again I haven't bought any custom Borchardts lately, so maybe somebody else should judge that for you.

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Re: C.C. Johnson
Reply #7 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 6:06pm
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the barrel no. is 45220 DLR or OLR. R2 is also stamped on the barrel. The caliber is 219 Donaldson Wasp.

If I was paying attention the last time the subject of C.C. Johnson barrel markings came up, the number 45220 means job number 220 in the year 1945, and the DLR means he used a Diller barrel blank.  Given that R2 is also stamped on the barrel, this may mean that it was originally chambered in R2 Lovell and that it has been rechambered to 219 Don. Wasp at a more recent time.  
  
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Re: C.C. Johnson
Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 9:39am
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How do I retreive a PM.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 9:50am
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click the, you have messages at the very top of the page.

And buy that rifle at that price.
  
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