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Barrel Tuners?
Mar 25th, 2008 at 11:47am
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I was wondering if barrel tuners were allowed in ASSRA competition? YES, it does go ajainst the grain of tradition, just wondering!
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 12:15pm
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Currently, ASSRA Schuetzenmeister has ruled that they are not legal in ASSRA events. However, the Rules Committee is reviewing that issue amongst others so it may or may not change in the near future, depending on their recommendations to the BoD.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 1:04pm
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Irascible wrote on Mar 25th, 2008 at 11:47am:
I was wondering if barrel tuners were allowed in ASSRA competition? YES, it does go ajainst the grain of tradition, just wondering!


A cursory review of the history and details of all the different accuracy aids tried and used regularly by the old Schuetzen crowd will soon reveal that there's nothing particularly new here. AAMOF some of the old Journal cover photos have some pretty wild-looking contraptions being used in the old shoulder-to-shoulder matches, witness the loooooong-barreled water-pipe Schuetzen rifle!
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 3:56pm
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As the particular person who brought that idea up on here a coupla years ago, and got his butt burned for it...... The answer right now is NO!!  Smiley

  If they do become allowed in the future I'm not sure they will help a whole lot with the rifles we use. Gun design is working against us.

  Some people seem to have the idea that a Tuner will turn bad ammo into good ammo. Far from it.

  What a Tuner does is take good ammo and "smooth" out the accuracy level from lot to lot which is the big bug-a-boo of .22 ammo. Of course "bad" ammo will be improved, but there's no way you can take 2" ammo and make it shoot into 1".  I know, I've had lots that shot like a house afire, and the very next lot was so-so. Even with the high priced stuff.

  As I get the picture even when made on a dedicated machine the quality cycles like a wave graph. So as the machine goes along the accuracy potential rises and falls. Part of the price you pay is a constant testing on the cartridges coming off that machine, and when the accuracy level drops off then that ammo is shunted to one side until the level returns to spec.'s. The first thing that comes to mind is what is the acceptable accuracy spread, how often do they test, and how many sub standard rounds get thru before they shunt the cartridges off. From descriptions I've read those machines spit out ammo like a stream of water.

  This is supposedly where the Tuner comes in.

  A while back Precision Shooting reported that some experimenting is going on now with the jacketed bench shooters to see if there's any benefit for them.

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Reply #4 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 4:32pm
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MI-shooter wrote on Mar 25th, 2008 at 12:15pm:
Currently, ASSRA Schuetzenmeister has ruled that they are not legal in ASSRA events. However, the Rules Committee is reviewing that issue amongst others so it may or may not change in the near future, depending on their recommendations to the BoD.


I guess I missing something here, ASSRA currently has a rule book, isn't  it the Schuetzenmeister job to enforce the rules as they are written, or are they allowed to make up new rules as the matches are fired, if allowed to make up there own rules how is that fair for guys shooting in different parts of the country to shoot against others if the rules are not the same or standard for all shooters ?. How are records set or kept if the rules are allowed to be changed at the will of a Match Director or Schuetzenmeister ?. I have a tuner and they work very well, now if the rules are changed to allowed tuners what happens to all the records that were set without them, or are the old records retired and new records started.
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Reply #5 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 4:57pm
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Mishooters word are not right!!! Angry The Schuetzenmeister had nothing to do with that ruling the BOD made! All I had was one vote! The BOD ruled them to be NOT LEGAL in ASSRA!!!!
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 6:44pm
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Jim_Borton wrote on Mar 25th, 2008 at 4:57pm:
Mishooters word are not right!!! Angry The Schuetzenmeister had nothing to do with that ruling the BOD made! All I had was one vote! The BOD ruled them to be NOT LEGAL in ASSRA!!!!



I don't have a problem with them being LEGAL or NOT LEGAL, I'll shoot with or without one, but I cant find anything in the rule book about tuners being on a barrel as an attachment, or as a permanent part of a barrel. 

About the only thing I found was rulings on the diameter and the length of the barrel. It's real simple for me, go by the rule book that was sent to me not long ago. When all the members are notified that the rules have been changed take it from there. 

Jim, you say that the BoD ruled them to be NOT LEGAL in ASSRA, does that mean that at one time there were being used, do you know when this rule will take affect, have any records been set with a tuner being used, and if a record has been set with a tuner being used what happens to that record ?.
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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 7:04pm
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gents,
I was not around in the late 1800's or early 1900's. admittedly  and anti cant block can help tune a barrel, also so can a barrel band as a local gunsmith klause used on our rest guns.
how ever if you want to use barrel tuners go shoot copper in a bolt gun or a gas gun they do not belong on single shots.
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Reply #8 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 8:00pm
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irish66 wrote on Mar 25th, 2008 at 7:04pm:
gents,
I was not around in the late 1800's or early 1900's. admittedly  and anti cant block can help tune a barrel, also so can a barrel band as a local gunsmith klause used on our rest guns.
how ever if you want to use barrel tuners go shoot copper in a bolt gun or a gas gun they do not belong on single shots.
IRISH



Sorry Irish,
I'm having a hard time reading your post, but I don't really see what the big deal is with using a tuner, if a new rule comes out saying they are not allowed of course I'll take it off, but I thought the idea was to make the rifle as accurate as possible. 

Why would you say they do not belong on single shots, if I didn't tell you I was using one how would you know, how would a "no tuner" rule be enforced. 

I always go by the rules as written but a rule like this has to be done on the honor system as a Schuetzenmeister would not have the time to check each and every gun on the line.
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Reply #9 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 8:07pm
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sleds or Pope style rests are legal and they cand be used to tune a barrel - but they are traditional - just an opinion and observation for what they are worth - which probable is not much - u all have a great day now - the rimfire - cdpersons
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 8:40pm
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I think that the Schutzenmeister should have a big hacksaw. When he goes down the line and catch's someone using a tuner he should cut the barrel off just back of the tuner and throw it as far as he can.  

I just dont like those darn tuners. When I see one it makes me so mad I could chew nails and spit. I just hate um. They're no good. They look bad. They go against everything I stand for. They should be abolished from the planet.  They should be melted down and made into a rocket ship and launched into space pointed at the sun where they will burn in hell forever.  The word tuner should be against the law to say. The word tuner should be removed from all books , signs , billboards. Anyone who ever used one should be require'd to go through electroshock therapy to have the memory of it removed from there brain forever. If shock theropy doesnt work the offender should be given a free ticket for a rocket ship ride.  

I hate those tuners.  Angry


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Reply #11 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 8:54pm
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I take it you don't like tuners, but did you ever try one.
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Reply #12 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 9:00pm
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they are sounding better and better to me all the time....Smiley
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 10:20pm
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as ussual the 2 sides come forward. I would put every dollar I have on that Pope, Rowland, etc. would use a tuner if they new it would improve there accuracy. Again one side anything that isn't a straight Ballard, Stevens, etc. is a sin. You guys a technology biggots. Oh by the way are stryker actions on a Ballard against the rules to? Short scopes? Coil spring ballards (sneaky rascals)? Thank goodness this forum is ussually only a small few of the actual shooters members. Hey there is a Idea, how about a poll of the membership what should be allowed?
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 11:54pm
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Are you guys saying that the officials of this "Non-Profit Corporation" called ASSRA do not allow the dues paying Shooters to express there opinion as to how the rules that they shoot by are set up, and that we can not vote on important decisions that affect the Corporation ?. Your kiddin, right.

I know I probably ask way, way,  to many of questions but it's because I'm a new guy to this association and the questions I ask are what I think are important, at least to me they are, and answers would be nice.

  I'm still waiting for an answer on the 22 Postal Match as to it being the any sight match, # 3.06 on page 30 of the rule book. A simple Yes or No would have been nice and would have taken only about 30 seconds to do, if that long, but it just seems like it got overlooked or ignored, not a good way to influence and keep members.
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