boats,

  You are right in that the NRA has a way to petition for rule changes. I've never tried to do it but listening to the BP Shilouette shooters try, I take it it get to be a pretty cold day in h--- before you will see it.

And we do get to vote for the NRA BoD. But as I said...... only those thatht e NRA puts forth. There is room for write-ins, but I think Neal Knox might have been the only one that got in that way.

  I will admit that there needs to be more of it in the ASSRA, but that will also take petitioning the BoD. If I get Keith right that isn't happening.

  So why do all we here is the whining here where it does absolutely no good. Better to waste your energy writing emails or making phone calls. I'd bet good money you'd get a far better response that way than complaining on here.

  Some of the things mentioned on here in this thread don't really belong in the ASSRA. Like the tuner. I asked about it because I have one for my BSA. JB said no way, so I let it go. They weren't around back in the Schuetzen era so I had no quarrel with it. Plenty of other competitions for it.

  Then you have the response that if you can't see my tuner then maybe it ought to be legal. Real "Spirit of the Game" comment in my opinion!

  Actually if you want to get picky about it the BSA, which a pretty good percentage of the shooters use, wasn't either. But it's allowed so I don't quarrel with that either. It's an extremely accurate gun and makes a perfect entry level gun for our type competitions, price-wise. Our club has matches for any gun, any sight, so as to introduce new shooters to the game. Their scores are considered just as "legal" as those shot from SS's, and they collect their fair share of prises. In fact our top offhand shooter uses a bolt gun.

  The ASSRA is never going to be a large organization, if due to nothing else the cost of the guns to get into it. That limits participation to those riding on daddy's dollar, or older men who can finally afford it. The people we'd like to have join, outside of the above BSA, just can't afford it in most cases.

  Maybe the ASSRA ought to just say only original guns will be allowed. No repro's. Your scopes must be the Malcolm style! None of these fancy click adjustable external ones. That would be true "Spirit of the Game".

  So even if some don't think the ASSRA isn't up to date enuf I think anyone can see that the ASSRA is fairly liberal in the guns, and scopes they will allow. It's just that the BoD won't roll over for the complainers.

PETE

I guess I would like to make one point about tuners, They do help make a gun more competitive. My choices for .22 are to find the best ammo I can afford and try different lots till I find one that shoots. I have done this and then tuned it with my tuner and improved my accuracy. My tuner cost $100. A better barrel would be probably $300 or better and it may or may not shot better. I can use ammo that is mid range and get accuracy as good as top dollar ammo out of my gun without the tuner. This game is expensive enough, its nice to be able to cut cost somewhere.

Shooter_1

perhaps your question can be generalized to the following:

If "it" is not explicitly mentioned in the rule book is "it" legal or illegal?

It might be very nontraditional teflon tape patched bullets, or colored filters in iron sights or bp substitutes in a bp match or whatever.  

1.  If it is not explicitly allowed, it is illegal.

or

2.  If it not explicitly disallowed, it is legal.  

If one of these two questions is correct, then you can deduce whether your version of a tuner is allowable.  Maybe.

Brent

Hi Brent,
For some reason it seems that an official cant answer any of these questions, I'm beginning to wonder if they know the difference between legal and illegal.
 
They don't seem to agree among themselves.

One official said that the Schuetzenmeister has ruled that tuners are not legal in ASSRA events.

Then the Schuetzenmeister denies everything by saying  he had nothing to do with that ruling. It was the BoD that ruled them to be NOT LEGAL ?.

I direct a question to the Schuetzenmeister, I get no response ?.

Then another official says that when the rule book was written tuners didn't exist. Now I know that's not true because my rule book was written in 2002 and I started using tuners in the early 1960's

The same official then says that tuners are not legal at this time, however weights attached to the barrel are ?. Isn't that a type of tuner ?.
 
I direct a question to that official, again no response ?.

Then another official says, when we talk of tuners here he assumes we are talking about a separate piece or unit  adjustable, which is attached to the barrel at the muzzle for the purpose effecting such changes to barrel harmonics as to aid accuracy.

Well I know of about 5 different types of tuners, all seem to do about the same thing but in a different way, the one I use can not be seen on the gun and is not attached to the barrel, so I ask another question of this official, again no response ?.

I could go on and on because there are more questions un-answered but I think I've made it clear, no one seems to know what the answers are, and if the officials cant answer questions that dues paying members have, I guess we can do what we want because one one will know if it's right or wrong.
  Shooter

GEEEZ guys, I'm sorry I brought it up. But I will say one thing. I have raced cars for a living most of my life. All of the rule books I have read contain a paragraph stating "If the rule book does not say something is allowed, then it is not"

tenx,
GREAT,We wont have to listen to you cry any longer. I don't like repeating myself but I do want answers, from officials that should know what is going on, not from someone like you that thinks they know what is going on. I've told you once that the only official that has given me any positive Info was Keith, he was the one that told me that the rule book was current and at this time was the only one ASSRA has to go by. Do you understand that, I'll say it again, Keith, one of the officials, said that the 2002 rule book was the one in use now.

 Happy to hear that you wont be responding any longer as we need positive Info from officials that know what is going on, not from members that think they know what is going on.
 Shooter

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The six issues used to come on time, and also used to be a LOT more interesting and informative for the most part. That was back when The New Editor was here, but since the big Editor Replacement uproar and the advent of The New New Editor and The New New New Editor, well, let's just say that comparing the more recent Journals with either of Precision Shooting's (much larger content & more INclusive) publications, well....I will merely say that that was a poorly-chosen comparison IMO.
JMO, Joe