first,i want to sincerely thank you for the most knowledgable answers i ever heard... i'm rally leagly blind,and am having to start shooting with my left side now,,my right eye left me,,,,, and well,,i am kinda starting all over....and my rifles are all mostly without the forarms,and the barrels are just exposed,and i have tried to put the rest,,i don't have a sled,,andi put the rest at 6 inches from the mozzel,and i have tried the rest all over the barrel,and i have found the best place to get groups,,is right in front of the reciever,,under the front of the scope,,on my 223,22-250,and my 270.... on the barrel there... i sure am sorry for the trouble,,and i know all of you have many ,many years,experience,or know the right people to help you,and know the right books,,,but is it alright to start shooting from this place in front of he reciever,and not on the end of the barrel,,?... thanks for putting up with me,,men,,,