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Mar 15th, 2008 at 7:22pm
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  I believe the current official targets are a much lighter color red than the old ones. Who do we petition to get the darker color back? i cannot see the light colored target with iron sights. Thanks! Joe S
  
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Re: target color
Reply #1 - Mar 15th, 2008 at 9:03pm
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Most of the important targets (yeah, I know they're ALL important, but you know what I mean) are available in a version that is black on the back and red on the front, and they can be shot either face forward.  The red color is so that bullet holes show up better in your spotting scope, while it is pretty much acknowledged that black is better for iron sights.  That was the story I heard when I first started shooting and ordering targets, so I'm sticking to it.  I haven't noticed that much difference in various vintages of red target faces, but then again, I usually hit more in the white anyway!  Roll Eyes

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Reply #2 - Mar 15th, 2008 at 10:02pm
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What's wrong with green?

Do you mean white on the inside or the outside?
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 15th, 2008 at 11:06pm
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Joe,

  I have the same problem you have. The "red" I like best is that which they use on the NMLRA targets. Seems to have some black in it but not enuf to make it hard to see the bullet holes. You can see it with iron sights and also spot your bullet holes. The WSU targets are almost as good.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 15th, 2008 at 11:38pm
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At our regional Schuetzenfest in Eau Claire, we only get one choice, a very light red, which is almost impossible to see, at least for me, so I would like to know what it would take to go back to a darker color. Joe S
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 15th, 2008 at 11:58pm
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Joe_S, 
try a blue filter in your rear aperture. It turns the red black. 

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Reply #6 - Mar 16th, 2008 at 12:17am
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JoeS,
The targets at Eau Claire ISSA regional are ISSA targets.
We use ASSRA for our ASSRA matches.
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Reply #7 - Mar 16th, 2008 at 6:29am
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The printer is supposed to use the same mix ink, but over the years they have gone to different ink base and ingredients, I do think that is why the colors seem lighter to the eye. Who knows for sure.

Back when the targets were finalized the old folks went over gobs of test prints and shades, in the thought of standardizing the targets.
I guess it has to do with everybody shooting at the same color for records or something.

But the stock makes big differences
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 16th, 2008 at 10:44am
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joe_s;
         I have some old ISSA targets that are printed on one side only and they do have a slightly lighter red. The ASSRA target is black on one side and red on the other and shooting with Iron's I can't see either red as well as I'd like.   leadball
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 16th, 2008 at 12:25pm
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I sure am going to try a blue filter, I know the red one that does away with the bull makes it easier to find hard to see bullets strikes in the red.

Westerner,  is there a certain number filter that is best?
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2008 at 1:02pm
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Black is obviously the best way to go, and thats what I would prefer. Being able to see bullet holes is not of much value if you cant see the target because if you cant see the target you wont need to worry about seeing bullet holes. Joe S
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2008 at 7:58pm
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froggie, you have it wrong. The Black is on the front and the Red is on the back. I mean for a 100 years the Black was all there was on one side only. Then someone got the idea of making some use of the unused back and printed a Red target on the back. Some of us are traditional and prefer to shoot Black targets. It really is a shame to spoil all those Red targets on the back. Still working on a cure for that. Regards, FITZ. Grin
  

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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2008 at 8:10pm
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>>>froggie, you have it wrong. The Black is on the front and the Red is on the back. I mean for a 100 years the Black was all there was on one side only. Then someone got the idea of making some use of the unused back and printed a Red target on the back. Some of us are traditional and prefer to shoot Black targets. It really is a shame to spoil all those Red targets on the back. Still working on a cure for that. Regards, FITZ. Grin<<<

All you have to do is back off on the powder charge so that the bullets only hit on one side of the target. After the match, you can gather your targets up and then use them for practice shooting on the other side. Seems clear to me (LOL)

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Reply #13 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 9:40am
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Dale,

  And don't forget to pick up all that Lead where they drop in front of the target and re-use it. What a wonderful idea you've got! Will try it at the first opportunity.  Smiley What with the price of Lead what it is just think of the money we can save!!!!
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 9:59am
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Or you could follow a well-known shooter's example, and use someone's staple gun for a backstop!

In all seriousness, I've heard that some folks in some organizations have actually refused to allow targets that didn't have precisely the proper color bull, even though the scoring rings were identically-sized with the 'legal' or 'proper' targets and even came from the same source. Go figure. Doesn't make any sense to me, especially since even the printer can't seem to keep the colors straight!

Of course, ".....some animals are more equal than others." Remember George Orwell?
Just an observation from a bystander, regards, Joe
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 2:14pm
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Or you could follow a well-known shooter's example, and use someone's staple gun for a backstop!

In all seriousness, I've heard that some folks in some organizations have actually refused to allow targets that didn't have precisely the proper color bull, even though the scoring rings were identically-sized with the 'legal' or 'proper' targets and even came from the same source. Go figure. Doesn't make any sense to me, especially since even the printer can't seem to keep the colors straight!

Of course, ".....some animals are more equal than others." Remember George Orwell?
Just an observation from a bystander, regards, Joe


I have to agree wiff ya Mr Steele..Thats why I like BPCR long range..The targets are all the same color...A light shade of "fuzzy".
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 3:33pm
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I sure am going to try a blue filter, I know the red one that does away with the bull makes it easier to find hard to see bullets strikes in the red.

Westerner,  is there a certain number filter that is best?


Keith, I dont know what number will work best. Gary Miller gave me a piece of blue plastic to use a few years ago. It works great. It sits between the eyepiece and the rubber shade on my Anschutz rear sight.
Wished I had the same setup on all my rifle's.  It doesnt have to be very dark to turn the red bull a nice black.   

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Reply #17 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 3:37pm
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I've used a medium green filter to sharpen/darken the red, especially on the ISSA light red targets.   

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Reply #18 - Mar 18th, 2008 at 2:20pm
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Can these plastic filters be used on the mid and long range soule type sights??
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 18th, 2008 at 2:53pm
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I am under the impression that any colored filter on your sight (but not eyeglasses) will take you out of the traditional rifle/sight class, am I correct? Thanks! Joe S
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 18th, 2008 at 3:27pm
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I'm not aware of a traditional rifle or sight class in the ASSRA rules. 

I think ISSA and WSU and NRC do.   Too much to keep track of !!  Angry


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Reply #21 - Mar 18th, 2008 at 3:34pm
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Can these plastic filters be used on the mid and long range soule type sights??


The old tang sights were never made to hold diopters or filters. A piece of colored sheet plastic can be fashioned to cover the forward hole of the eye piece.  You'll need optical quality sheet plastic and a pair of scizzors, and some imagination. I dont know where ya get the plastic. All the sheets Ive looked through, looked like looking through a dirty aquarium.   Sad


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Reply #22 - Mar 18th, 2008 at 3:51pm
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From the "old" rule book.  Don't know about the "new" rule book...

Section 1.21   Iron Sights
Iron sights are sights without any optical elements. An exception to this is a rear sight disk that will hold a lens that is equivalent to the shooter’s eye glass prescription. At the Schuetzenmesiter’s discretion diopters of this type with or without color filters and/or lenses similar to the shooter’s eyeglass prescription, may be used but only if an announcement to that effect is published in pre-match announcements. Diopter sights that incorporate an optical element in the front sight are specifically forbidden.
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 18th, 2008 at 4:00pm
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Old target sights both tang and German schuetzen sights were some times made to hold a colored and or magnifying lens. Some used a lens both front and rear to get a non tubed telescope.
The use of a lens in the rear sight that apromimiats
the shooters eye glass   
'prescripion is permited in ASSRA matches. Colored filters are at the discretion of the Schuetzenmeister
diopters with a lens  are not allowed in the front sight.
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Reply #24 - Mar 19th, 2008 at 8:20am
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For opticaly coppect colored plastic try going to a theater lighting shop. Ask for a gell sheet. If you explane what you are doing the should be able to help. The sheets come in precise colors 1 sheet will take care of you and all your friends.

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Reply #25 - Mar 19th, 2008 at 11:06am
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Or you might even get one of their books of small samples (usually about 1" x 3" or so and you could try a variety of colors until you find the perfect one to buy a larger sheet.  As 40 Rod said, one sheet will provide filters for you and all of your friends (probably a lifetime supply for all of you, at that!  Shocked )

I'm guessing that blue or green will be the best for the purpose under discussion, but red will help you spot bullet holes on a red field through your spotting scope, and I would not ignore yellow... my shooting glasses in yellow seem to help. YMMV, of course.

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Reply #26 - Mar 22nd, 2008 at 10:29pm
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Does anyone have any of this stull they they would be willing to sell? I would be interested. Thanks, Joe S
  
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Reply #27 - Mar 22nd, 2008 at 10:36pm
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I will bring some samples to the EC match and you can take some home.
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Reply #28 - Mar 23rd, 2008 at 8:18pm
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Thanks Laurie, I'll take you up on that. Joe
  
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Reply #29 - Mar 26th, 2008 at 12:16pm
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laurie, 

Do we still have a supply of the dark targets up at Eau Claire? If so, why cant we use the dark ones for iron sights and the light ones for scope? Just a thought, Joe
  
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Reply #30 - Mar 26th, 2008 at 3:44pm
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Joe,
I think we used them all I don't know for sure if any are left. They were lost in the back of my garage and I just found on the box when moving stuff around. They were from when Budwiser printed the targets for the ISSA.
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