Jim, if you live "in the real world", then you know that if a guy is going to cheat, then witness signatures mean nothing. A cheater would just sign two fictitious names, or have two of his cheatin' buddies sign the target.
To assume everyone is a cheater is like the cop who thinks everyone is guilty until they prove they are innocent. I think the group of gentlemen here are above average, and I'd like to think there are very few cheaters among the ASSRA shooters.
But maybe I'm naive.-Vall

Jim is just telling you what he thinks of ya'll.  I don't believe that it has to be that way through out the ASSRA, but a handful of people at the top make damn sure you know your place.   

Brent

Shooter,

The revision of the rule book you mention is the latest update. That's why I said it was out of date. Maybe you and I are not on the same page. Anything 6 years old is out of date in this day and age.

  If I get a past post on here correctly they will soon be issuing a new update.

  What I said about the WSU and the League are correct. If you want to join the WSU you have to do so as a member of a club.

  You do not have to be a member of any organization to shoot the WSU Winter League. It is open to all comers.

  The only requirement is that you form a 3 man team to shoot it since it is a team event. This team can be made up of any human being that resides on this planet.

  Really. I wish you'd get on the WSU web site and look this all up. When you have done so then we can talk in a sane manner. Really... I think all you're trying to do is start an argument on here. I only have an 8th grade education but I'm getting what's said.

The rule book of the ASSRA has been under scrutiny.  A couple of rules committees have been going to suggest changes for a couple years, just nothing has been done yet.

Sometimes thing run slower than we'd like.

Some of the suggestions I have seen help clear up many of the rules, and some of the older rules removed.

Hopefully they can be finalized soon.

Shooter,

  You're sorry I feel and think the way I do?!? How condescending of you Sir.

  Of course you can subscribe to any Forum you like. But if you wish to talk intelligently on a subject it behooves you to at least get the other side of the issue.

  There is nothing complicated about the WSU's web site and it's very easy to find the info I suggested. If you can't find it let me know and I'll post a point and click entry to that info.

  I gather then that you didn't "point & click" the address to Brent's web site I posted so you could see how the WSU Winter League was set up? It would have showed you immediately that it was a three person league spread out over 10 weeks, with the scores for each team, and each individual score, the teams overall ranking at any given point, plus a list of those who had shot 250's. Plus some stuff I'm sure I've forgotten offhand.

  I gather from your comments that you think all other organizations think they are better than the ASSRA. I would disagree with that. I don't know why those who formed the ISSA split off from the ASSRA, but the WSU has nothing against the ASSRA. In fact I, and many others belong to both. If you'd look them over you'd find they mostly complement each other. About the only difference is that the WSU wants to hold to a more rigid interpretation of how it was done in the "Golden Age" of Schuetzen. Kind of like the difference between NCOWS and SASS. Nothing wrong with either, and you can pick the one that suits you the best.

  Personally I think the WSU has shot themselves in the foot by going to being a strictly offhand organization. But, I ain't on the BoD so I'll show my displeasure by letting my feet do the talking. I don't necessarily agree with  how the ASSRA handles some things but they fit my way of thinking better.

  I haven't got a clue about the ISSA.

This has been an interesting and some what "bumpy" thread. 
I've shot ASSRA postal matches in the past and would like to shoot in them again. If things get lined out and going, I'll participate.
I enjoy the shooting I don't enter matches based on the "prize pool". I like most, attempt to shoot "possibles" one hole in the center of the 25 ring. In the end it all comes down the individual effort. If you cheat your cheating yourself first and foremost. 
In the end when it's all over and you get a trinket for your dishonest effort, was the trinket worth it?
I think not.
I believe that the folks here in this "brother hood" have much greater self respect. 
Hopefully things can get rolling and we can spend our time on the range making holes in the 25 ring instead of typing on this darn thread.

tenx,

I did not intend my comment to be condescending, if that's what you thought it was, well I guess that's the way you think, so be it,  As far as me talking intelligently on a subject, sorry I cant do that very well because I'm still learning all this stuff about ASSRA, bottom line, I'm NOT INTERESTED in the other side of any "issues" unless there ASSRA issues. I tried to make it clear that I'm trying to learn as much about the association "I joined".  Now, is there any part of this that you don't  understand ?.

 "I gather from your comments that you think all other organizations think they are better than the ASSRA."

 I have no idea what your talking about, I don't know anything about the other associations to make any comments about them, I only know what you and some others have said about them on this ASSRA site, and like I've already said I have NO INTEREST in them, I am a ASSRA member, not a member of  WSU or any others. 

 Are you following me so far, If I'm typing to fast for you to understand what I'm saying I'll try to slow it down a bit. OK maybe that comment was not called for but I'm trying to make my point as simple as I can.

You gather that I didn't "point & click" the address to Brent's web site, you gathered correct, I'm NOT INTERESTED. If it has nothing to do with ASSRA. 

I can only do one association at a time, and at this time it's ASSRA. I see that your not happy with the way WSU is doing things, I could care less about what there doing, if in you think they shot themselves in the foot, don't waste your time telling me about it, I don't care, go tell someone that does.

Your saying something about the difference between NCOWS and SASS. and that there's nothing wrong with either, and to pick the one that suits me best, I don't know what those associations are and I don't want to know, I already picked the association that I think suits me best, I joined the ASSRA. 

  Are you "getting" this.

"I don't necessarily agree with  how the ASSRA handles some things but they fit my way of thinking better"

I'm so happy for you that ASSRA fits your way of "thinking", maybe with all your experience you could step up to the plate and "help" ASSRA with any thing you don't, as you said, "necessarily agree with" but please try to help within the polices of the ASSRA, not force your way of "thinking" on the ASSRA just because you and possibly only you or just a few others "think" your correct. It cant always be your way or no way, that's the way dictators think.

I see your still on the rule book thing,  in one of your post, in the same breath, I think,  your saying that the revision I have is the "latest update", then your saying that it's out of date ?, again I guess we are not on the same page. 

Please educate me, when does a "rule book" become out of date, how long does it take ? one year, two years, ?. I've been told by someone that should know that the book I have is the current one and it's the "only" one "in use" at this time, therefore I would think it's "in date" and will stay "in date"  till another revision comes out. 

 This came from one of the ASSRA officials, not just some guy on this forum, then again maybe I mis-understood what he said. 

This is starting to get a bit childish, dumb, and stupid. I can see from reading some of the messages that there are some guys that cause problems for ASSRA and are disrespectful to other members. lets try an put our efforts into making the ASSRA better for all the members, not just a few. 
 Shooter

tenx,
Thank You for understanding.
Shooter