Well tenx,that's ok.
That's how the world works, some guys disagree and some agree with the ideas of others. As far as me being able to shoot WSU if you have to form a club that would leave me out as there's no other people in my area that shoot single shot rifles, as far as shooting a league that takes three men, well like I've already said I'm all alone in my area of single shot rifle shooting.

I became interested in this type of shooting not long ago and I know I have a lot to learn, but because I was interested one of the first things I did was order a rule book so I would know what was expected of me and what kind of equip I would need. 

The very next thing I did was paid my dues and joined ASSRA  to show my support of the association, realizing that there's no free lunch. I paid my money and became part of the association so I could enjoy the benefits of being a member, now why should a non-member get to enjoy the same benefits that I and others paid for ?.

I agree that there are some associations that allow non-members to shoot there events but they usually only do it once so that the new guy can get a taste of what he's getting into, and of course there scores don't count because there not members.

I'm sure that the details of things like that can be worked out somehow so that everyone would be happy. Well maybe most everyone.

Anyway, here I set, paid my dues to support the association, and so I could shoot, first thing that happens is "one" of the officials, the Schuetzenmaster, who I assume is one of the "top" officials,  more or less questions my honesty and I haven't even fired my first shot. I see that I wasn't the only one offended by his comments and attitude and suspect that many other people were as well.
 
I see also that he is the Moderator of this site so this may be my last post, but I believe a guy with this responsibility should be more respectful to the members, he's the one that set up the rules of this forum and from what I've seen so far he has violated numbers 4, 5, 6, and maybe 7 of his own rules. Wonder what would happen if some "common" member did that.

I, and I'm sure others, don't like being called dishonest but I guess that's the way it goes sometimes and when it's done by the "boss" I guess not much can be done about it. 

 I think it's best that I don't comment much more on this or I may not make it through my fist year. Hopefully this wont go any farther and I'll still be a member of this forum. If not well, so be it, but I sure would like to start shooting this type of game without the sarcastic and Un-Gentlemanly, Negativity, and Bashing of a shooting sport ( Postal Matches ) that has been going on for over 100 years.
 Shooter

boats,

  You probably know how one of the ASSRA records was set, and how it was done, so I won't go into that. People will cheat if only bragging rights are involved so I can't blame JB for saying what he did, altho I think he could have been a little more diplomatic about it.

40_Rod,

  I will say it was me who insisted on the WSU league be open to anyone who wanted to shoot it. After the idea came up I was asked to set it up, make the rules, and run it. There was quite a private discussion on who should be allowed to shoot. The main reason I did insist on an open league was for the reason you stated tho. Getting a club to join the WSU, just so a few members could shoot the league would have cut down the number of entries to virtually nil.

  To all who disagree with me...... I'll take back my saying that anyone who wants to shoot any of the ASSRA postals can do so. No sense belaboring a point if the majority wish it otherwise.

  So.... Who's gonna volunteer to run the .22RF offhand and bench matches, as well as the CF offhand and bench matches? No sense carrying on this thread until some people step forward. I know you-all think the ASSRA board/officers should do it but I'm not sure that's gonna happen.

  So.... Lets have some names!!

Shooter,

  That's why I insisted that the WSU League be open to anyone who wanted to participate. The only requirement was you had to get up a 3 man team. Originally it was thought we ought to have 5 man teams. Again, I squashed that idea. You don't even have to have three guys in your area. Any three people anywhere in the world who want to form a team can do so. You shoot your scores and turn them into the team Capt. and he sends them in to the scorekeeper. I don't know the exact number but quite a few iof the teams run on this principle.

  As for the rule book.... I think it's a little outdated now. Didn't someone mention and update will be coming out soon?

  Everyone happy???? Silly boy! There is no such thing as everybody being happy. Why do you think that in the past the idea of postal matches never got off the ground? 14 people wanted it done their way, so it never got done. The reason the WSU league got off the ground is that I said I'll run it. But you'll do it according to the way I say, and if you don't like it.... tough s---! I didn't use those exact words but the meaning was the same. You don't run shooting matches by committee!

  I don't think you'll get kicked off. You might have a message scratched now and again tho. You're a regular fire breather, aren't you. 

Nope, Pete, I can't be bought that easy   This ain't about money anyway.  Never has been.

But if they want to be nice to me, I might join.  Maybe.  But who would they beat up on then?  Poor Ben got run off.

If they make the matches open to nonmembers and don't charge a pile of money to enter, I would do it.   

Brent

Brent,

  Yes.... But..... In order to be treated nicely you have to be nice!  I hear on the grapevine you're quite a curmudgeon.

I'd be happy to run the ASSRA .22 offhand postal since I'm doing the WSU one right now anyway.  But, of course, I'm not a member so why should I contribute to hosting a match I cannot shoot?  Dang, that members-only thing comes around to bite ya in the ass some times...

Toodles... 


Brent,
There seems to be a lot of mis-information fleeting around this forum. I've never seen anything like it before in any of the other of the  associations I belong to. 

First there was the 22 RF ammo thing, no one can find anything about it in the rule book but it was said it was a rule, then there was the witness thing, I checked the rule book, even gave the section numbers, could not find any such rule. Now tenx has said that to shoot WSU you have to be a member of a club or have a three man team, you say that ANYONE can shoot as long as you a member of the human race. 

I'm beginning to wonder if anyone knows what's going on in this world of Schuetzen Rifle Shooting. Guys are talking about rules that are not in the rule books, others saying they set up the shoots and ???. I guess I'm just confused.

But, if you are an interested shooter, and experienced in how to run the Matches why don't you join the ASSRA, help it grow, support it with your dues like so many other members have. I don't know much about how these things are run but I've already offered to help KAF with what ever has to be done, or is there some reason that you don't feel comfortable supporting ASSRA ?
  Shooter

HOORAY, HOORAY,
KAF has something going on, you know you can count on me to shoot the 100 yd. bench matches, would shoot the 200 yd but we only have a 100 yd range, then again, I guess, I could shoot the 200 yd targets at 100 yds and say it was shot at 200 yds.
Na, that wouldn't be right. Like I said I'll volunteer my help in any way I can.
   Shooter

Shooter,

  I did NOT say you had to be a member of a club in order to shoot the WSU league. You seem to have a fixation on this point, as you've mentioned it a coupla times now. Neither Brent nor I have said this. Please re-read Brent's and my messages.

  I've also told you that the rule book is WAY out of date. Please look at when the last revision date was. The rule about needing witnesses for the .22 RF Postal Match was a FACT when I shot it last. I gather they might have changed that rule since then, but that doesn't alter the fact that you needed them when I shot it last. It took several years before I could interest two local guys in Schuetzen so we could shoot them according to the rules at the time. Back in the early '80's when I shot the .22 Postals that rule wasn't in effect. When I wanted to start shooting it again is when I found out about the witness rule, and when I contacted JB about it, as he mentions in his last post here.

  Where you're coming up with these ideas of what I said is beyond me.

  I think I know where this witness rule comes from. A few years back a couple out in Calif., I believe it was, shot the .22 Postals and came in with scores I couldn't have fired if I shot off the bench with the muzzle against the target. Several of us here commented on that, and the possibility of shooting such scores. Not to their benefit I might add. Not even the best offhand shooters yesterday or today could duplicate them. Where did they come from, and how come we've never heard of them before?

Brent,

  Curmudgeon!? Who? ME?? I'm a nice guy.  Wasn't I real nice to Shooter in the above.

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  As you see by the above quote from a previous message Keith is thinking about having postals for non-members.

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  So can I assume then you'll volunteer for one of these? Since no prises are involved I would assume they would only charge for the cost of the targets, or you could supply your own. I'd let you come up with your own rules.