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1878 Sharps Officer's Rifle
Feb 24th, 2008 at 8:13pm
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While perusing my recently arrived reproduction copy of the 1878 Sharps catalogue from Cornell Publications,  I noted in the section which discussed the Borchardt Military Model that Sharps offered an "Officer's Model".  In its description it stated "Same length, weight, and caliber as the Military Rifle.  Medium fancy American walnut stock, closely selected barrels, with receiver inlaid with hard rubber (similar to Long Range Rifle), extra finish throughout.  Price $30.  The standard issue rifle was listed for $22.50 at the time.  My fascination for the military model Borchardt has lead to nearly every web page on the internet that sold or talked about the military rifle and I have yet to see one of these.  Flayderman's indicates only 48 were made.  Has anyone ever encountered one of the officer's models.  THOP
  

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Re: 1878 Sharps Officer's Rifle
Reply #1 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 8:43pm
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Ive never seen one. 

I wonder how many were converted to target rifle's ?   

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Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2008 at 11:58pm
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Officers model Borchardts have a paneled  and radiused action that is colorcase hardened but not machined internally to lighten the action like the target models. A friend in Oregon has one that letters with special features. He has seen several of them. I made one without panels (can still do that) in 50-70. There was one offered in a scam a year or so ago. There are probably almost as many counterfeits as originals.
  
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Re: 1878 Sharps Officer's Rifle
Reply #3 - Feb 25th, 2008 at 10:16am
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Just a dumb question from someone who knows little about the Sharps/B rifles:

Why did they "panel" them with hard rubber.  it seems like an odd choice of material.  On an officer's grade rifle it's seem that a more elegant material would have been in order.
What was the function of the machined out areas anyway, simply to lighten the action a small amount?
  

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Reply #4 - Feb 25th, 2008 at 8:27pm
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osafah of any kind needs warm thumbs for breech seating
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 25th, 2008 at 9:50pm
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Ben, I thunk that most ossifers had much warmer places to keep their thumbs
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 25th, 2008 at 10:13pm
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cool---- Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 26th, 2008 at 5:52am
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Hello DWS8130,

Your correct, the action side panels were originally a weight reducing measure, brought in to remove weight from the rifle, so that it met the weight requirements for rifles used in Creedmoor Matches. Other weight reducing machining took place inside the action and and elsewhere on the Creedmoor Borchardts, but not, I believe, on the Officers Model.

The hard rubber side panels (called Jet*) and probably the hard rubber pistol grip caps, were 'bought in' or sub contracted by the Sharps Rifle Co., from The Celluloid Novelty Co. NY., as were their imitation 'Rosewood' side panels. 

The side panels could be 'special ordered' on any of the 1878 actions for an additional charge of $5.00, but were a standard feature on target grade rifles at no extra cost.

Personally I think the side panels add considerably to the looks of the Borchardt action and doubtless many others do too. The hard rubber panels must have been really 'hard', as they were capable of being carved or engraved and some fine samples of this artwork can be seen in Sellers book 'Sharps Firearms', pages 264-5 and 267.

* The term 'Jet' is correctly the name applied to a rare form of coal, and is classed as a semi-precious stone, which is capable of being carved, shaped and highly polished to produce items of great beauty and which was very popular in jewellery manufacture in Victorian times in Britain.  Most genuine 'Jet' comes from Whitby in North Yorkshire, England.   

Many attempts were made to replicate this material including using 'hard rubber'. The black colour of 'Jet' is far deeper than say Ebony and the dark black colour contrasts very well with colour case hardened metal, adding considerable beauty to actions finished this way.

Whether these hard rubber panels were able to retain their good looks for over 130 years is debatable, so many artificial items deteriorate with age, and those original Sharps hard rubber side panels may well have changed their appearance over time.

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Reply #8 - Feb 26th, 2008 at 11:30pm
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Pictures in the Sellers book show the panels to be a light color. I disassemled an original Creedmore action for a friend recently and the panels were a tan color.  Others I have examined were the same color.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 27th, 2008 at 1:33am
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Pictures in the Sellers book show the panels to be a light color. I disassemled an original Creedmore action for a friend recently and the panels were a tan color.  Others I have examined were the same color.


I think the color was oxidation, you see this on old hard rubber buttplates and pistol grips of that era. It is just on the surface, it is still black underneath

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Reply #10 - Feb 27th, 2008 at 3:11am
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What holds the panels in place ? 


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Reply #11 - Feb 27th, 2008 at 3:39am
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Hello Joe,

The front edge of the side panel recess has a groove machined in it. A corresponding lip on the front edge of the side panel itself fits into this groove and the panel is secured at the rear by two small grub screws which come in through the rear edge of the action to to hold it in place.

The stock has to be removed to get access to the small screws, once these are removed the rear of the panel swings outward (like a door opening) and can then be removed.

The attached picture may give you a better idea.

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Reply #12 - Feb 27th, 2008 at 3:51am
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Thanks Harry.    Wink   Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY !   Smiley
 
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Reply #13 - Feb 27th, 2008 at 6:51am
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thanks for posting that pic.  those milled out recesses are a LOT deeper than I thought they'd be. and a second on the happy birthday wishes
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 27th, 2008 at 9:56am
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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on Feb 27th, 2008 at 6:51am:
thanks for posting that pic.  those milled out recesses are a LOT deeper than I thought they'd be. and a second on the happy birthday wishes


Hello DWS,

My pleasure. The sidewalls of the action are 0.300" thick in the area occupied by the side panels and this part of the action is not subject to anything like the same stresses under firing, as the sidewalls between the receiver ring and the breechblock buttresses which are only 0.150" thick. I believe that the side panel cut outs are 0.1875" or 3/16" deep, so there's still plenty of metal remaining in that area.

Thanks for the birthday wishes, I just wish I was getting younger. At 65 I am now officially an Old Age Pensioner.  Cry

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Reply #15 - Feb 27th, 2008 at 1:16pm
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Gee, I missed it this year Harry! 
    But Happy B Day!
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 29th, 2008 at 1:16am
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James---I just disassembled an action that meets all the criteria for being a Creedmore action. The panels were numbered to the action and were tan on the back same color as the front side. I have handled a couple of original target rifles and they were the same color. Personally I don't like hard rubber panels---fancy walnut compliments the case colors for me. The material on original panels I believe was called "gutta percha" and is some kind of celluloid.
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 29th, 2008 at 10:37pm
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Gutta percha is actually a form of rubber, it was used for pistol grips and buttplates. There is some information on it here  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

Goggling it will turn up a lot more about it, I do know for a fact that heating it in hot water will change its color if black to an ugly gray-brown. Its final color was probably the result of a coloring agent like lamp-black or something else for another color.

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Reply #18 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 8:05pm
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I have been routinely wandering around the INTERNET trying to collect as many Borchardt Military serial numbers as I can find to try and get a feel for the serial number range (the numbers are all over the place).  I found this restocked military on GUNBROKER.COM with its original stocks included.  At first I thought the "original" stock in the picture did not belong to a military model but now I am wondering if it is an "Officer's Model" since the 1878 Sharps catalogue described the Officer's Model" as having..."Medium fancy American walnut stock..."
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Reply #19 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 11:53pm
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THop, I have personally owned and lettered 1878 military rifles from # 360 to the 16xxx range. AAMOF have owned only one miltary rifle with a higher #, 19xxx, but it didn't letter. This is a small sample but IMO it's enough to show that the factory made military muskets as early as serial # 360 right on up to the end of production. BTW I personally viewed & handled a factory-engraved 1878 sporter bearing a number in the 36X range, FWIW. The actual shape and size of the characters of the serial numbers was exactly the same on both rifles, it was obvious that the same machine stamped both rifles. The # 360 military rifle was shipped to a store in NYC as I remember, the letter didn't mention any military contract or address.

BTW that PG buttstock doesn't look like it matches the military forearm, at least I've never seen one like it.
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Reply #20 - Mar 18th, 2008 at 8:10pm
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Hi Joe,  I thought maybe I was seeing some serial number trends for awhile.  Out of 21 serial numbers I saw, six of them were in the 8XXX range.  As I continued to collect the numbers it became evident that they were spread across the whole range.  I assume large contracts with state militias or overseas sales would provide a concentration of numbers in a certain range, maybe accounting for the high sample of 8XXX numbers.  THOP
  

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Reply #21 - Nov 17th, 2008 at 9:28am
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My Borchardt buttstock is a target grade and it is serial numbered. Serial number is on the front left side into the wood. I'm not sure if all the Borchardts are numbered in this fashion, but its worth looking. If nothing else just a validation.
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Reply #22 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:54am
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Hello J.D.Steele,
my but this site has been a bit empty without your imput of recent weeks. Good to see you back.
I thought you had got drummend out and not allowed to return.
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Reply #23 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 7:07am
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Nero wrote on Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:54am:
Hello J.D.Steele,
my but this site has been a bit empty without your imput of recent weeks. Good to see you back.
I thought you had got drummend out and not allowed to return.
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Hello Nero,

Check out the date of J.D's post. It's March 2008. J.D's wisdom is missed.

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Reply #24 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 11:13am
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Don said..."My Borchardt buttstock is a target grade and it is serial numbered. Serial number is on the front left side into the wood. I'm not sure if all the Borchardts are numbered in this fashion, but its worth looking. If nothing else just a validation. 
    Don"

I have considered removing the butt stock on my 78 military to see if it is marked with the serial number but since it one of the few  military '78s that I have seen without the normal "Borchart cracks" in the wrist I am afraid to do it Huh  Terry
  

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Reply #25 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 4:16pm
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Reply #26 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 4:33pm
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MY good friend Robert owner of Shiloh Rifle Co. has been working on the production of the Borchardt. They are close in completing the fine detail work before the Co. will produce the first one. It will be nice,

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