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Richard Participating Member Offline Posts: 21 Location: Denver Joined: Feb 3^rd, 2008	H&R CR-1871 Feb 18^th, 2008 at 10:43pm	Print Post
	Since my single shot 'bug' has been touched off I've been searching the web to see who makes what. I saw Remington makes a couple of Rolling Block riles that look nice in the 3000 - 3500 price range. Harrington & Richardson make a CR-1871. This 'buffalo' rifle goes for $400 new. I'm curious why it's so inexpensive .. or cheap? Has anyone seen this?


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MerwinBray Oldtimer Offline Aw Gees Posts: 928 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #1 - Feb 19^th, 2008 at 8:14am	Print Post
	Richard, I have one. It is a simple yet nice looking single shot on a format that has been built for decades. This is a part of why it is "cheap". However, if you are looking to shoot in competition I am not sure it qualifies for NRA matches because of the rule regarding when they were available. It seems I heard that some were making a move to have it approved by the NRA but I don't really know if there is any merit to that or if the NRA would have approved it even if there was. If you are looking to shoot in the big bore class of the ASSRA schuetzen matches I believe it would qualify. That may depend on the individual Schuetzenmiester. All that said, I really like my gun. It has nice colors, the wood is ok but fit to action is oversized like on everything else made by those guys. It shoots good. I ordered a .22 hornet barrel and it was fit to the checkered forened by the factory so I have a 2 barrel set. This is a nice feature to these guns. Total for an additional barrel with shippong installed and fit by the factory is less than 150.00! Last I looked, they still offered the 38-55 barrel as an accessory, might make a good entry level schuetzen gun? MerwinBray

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Richard Participating Member Offline Posts: 21 Location: Denver Joined: Feb 3^rd, 2008	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #2 - Feb 19^th, 2008 at 12:44pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the info. It seems like at the price they are offering it at one could have plenty of cash left over to cusomize it.


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3858 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #3 - Feb 19^th, 2008 at 12:56pm	Print Post
	There is a whole forum devoted to 'Handi-holics' on Graybeardoutdoors.com . Often you'll see threads there on accurizing and customizing.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2849 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #4 - Feb 19^th, 2008 at 11:10pm	Print Post
	I would recomed checking out the used market. I have seen these at local gun shows for very reasonable prices. Check the on line auctons also. They are neat guns for the money. Do not own one YET.


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podufa Full Member Offline Posts: 182 Location: Maine Joined: Dec 30^th, 2007	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #5 - Feb 20^th, 2008 at 3:12am	Print Post
	I own a 38-55 bought it because it was cheap , I thought it would be a good play thing but it is way better than that . I just wish it weighed a pound more. It dose shoot . I heard Treebone made a butt-stock but don't know if that is true. You get a lot of gun for the money.


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vbull Full Member Offline Posts: 106 Location: Lake George, Champlain region Joined: Sep 19^th, 2004	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #6 - Feb 20^th, 2008 at 7:35am	Print Post
	An earlier reply commented the rifle was not legal for NRA competition. I'm not sure if it is or not for silhouette, but for NRA Black Powder Target rifle competition it is perfectly legal. So long as the sights are a pre-1896 design. NRA BP Target rifle competitions are shot between 200 - 600 yards midrange and 800 - 1000 yards long range. There are even some reduced midrange courses. Even modern inline muzzleloaders are legal so long as the sights are correct. Although scopes are legal, they must be less then 1" objective / ocular diameter, 3/4" tube and use either Malcomn or early turret type mounts without clicks. Time limits are much more liberal then silhouette also. Frank M.


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zpeters78 Ex Member	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #7 - Mar 16^th, 2008 at 5:34pm	Print Post
	Well if the H&R Buffalo Classic isn't a legal rifle for NRA shoots, it ought to be. It meets all the criteria, and to the critics that say it's not typical of a late 19th Century single shot rifle, I would say take a look at this! It's the Wurfflein tip-up rifle made in Philadelphia 1880's - 90's. H&R says that the Buffalo Classic is styled after the Wesson rifle, I would have to say no to that, but it sure looks ALLOT like the Wurfflein!


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19bluesman85 Ex Member	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #8 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 12:24pm	Print Post
	Wow, I agree with zpeters78. There is really no reason why the H&R Buffalo Classic can't be included in competions. Maybe it's because all the shooters with high dollar rifles would hate to get beat by a $300 rifle!


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J.D.Steele Ex Member	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #9 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 1:29pm	Print Post
	Quote: Wow, I agree with zpeters78. There is really no reason why the H&R Buffalo Classic can't be included in competions. Maybe it's because all the shooters with high dollar rifles would hate to get beat by a $300 rifle! IMO you have hit the nail squarely on the head. The mental giants at the NRA's Sillywet Competition Committee have said that the H&R is not legal while a stainless-steel 'Farrow' race gun action qualifies as legal. What a farce! Orwell was right, some animals are indeed more equal than others! Reminds me of some other rules in other organizations........ Regards, Joe


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marlinguy Ex Member Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater!	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #10 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	The big drawback for the H&R Target Classic and Buffalo Classics are the sights. The Williams is not legal, and changing to a vernier long range type sight is very hard to do, as there's no tang to mount it on. I've seen some folks mount their sights right into the stock, behind the frame, but it looked petty shaky, even with a metal base bedded into the stock. I made a top tang for mine, and had it TIG welded inside so it wouldn't show. Then I inletted the stock to fit around it. Worked well, and I just cold blued it, and drilled and tapped for a sight I had already. The throughbolt design is nice, and I added weight to mine by filling the hroughbolt hole with #8 lead shot, and just putting the buttplate back over it. Added enough weight to really make it feel better, and handle the .45-70 recoil better.

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19bluesman85 Ex Member	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #11 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 7:30pm	Print Post
	Well it looks like the Wurfflein was not the only tip-up rifle used in the 1800's. Look at this C.B. Holden (looks kinda like the H&R Buffalo Classic).


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zpeters78 Ex Member	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #12 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 7:35pm	Print Post
	It would seem to me, in the spirit of getting people involved in shooting BPCR that could otherwise not afford to be involved (not everyone can afford a $1200 or more rifle), that the H&R Buffalo Classic would be a very formadable rifle to "get into the game".


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19bluesman85 Ex Member	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #13 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 7:56pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Mar 17^th, 2008 at 7:25pm: The big drawback for the H&R Target Classic and Buffalo Classics are the sights. The Williams is not legal, and changing to a vernier long range type sight is very hard to do, as there's no tang to mount it on. I've seen some folks mount their sights right into the stock, behind the frame, but it looked petty shaky, even with a metal base bedded into the stock. I made a top tang for mine, and had it TIG welded inside so it wouldn't show. Then I inletted the stock to fit around it. Worked well, and I just cold blued it, and drilled and tapped for a sight I had already. The throughbolt design is nice, and I added weight to mine by filling the hroughbolt hole with #8 lead shot, and just putting the buttplate back over it. Added enough weight to really make it feel better, and handle the .45-70 recoil better. What about this sight on a Buffalo Classic?
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19bluesman85 Ex Member	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #14 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 8:01pm	Print Post
	Here is the photo of the old Peabody rifle with a similar rear sight:


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19bluesman85 Ex Member	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #15 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	Here's a better photo of the optional sight for the Buffalo Classic:


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MerwinBray Oldtimer Offline Aw Gees Posts: 928 Location: Kansas City, KS Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #16 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 8:22pm	Print Post
	Marlinguy, I am one of those who has put it right on the wood, and you're right, it seems shaky. I always feel if I bump it wrong it will pull out of the wood. I may just be paranoid. It hasn't happened yet, as I try not to make a habit out of knocking my guns around! But it is just a matter of odds. I like the idea of weighting the stock. I have thought about taking some wood out of the forened and somehow filing it with lead, but doubt I ever do. The shot idea seems easy and pretty quick with no real chance of hurting the gun. Great tip! Merwin

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19bluesman85 Ex Member	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #17 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	I made a top tang for mine, and had it TIG welded inside so it wouldn't show. Then I inletted the stock to fit around it. Worked well, and I just cold blued it, and drilled and tapped for a sight I had already. Could you post a photo of your modification?


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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 624 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #18 - Apr 8^th, 2008 at 2:08pm	Print Post
	One note. I have seen several top quality original single shots with cracked stocks due to lead shot. Over the years the lead oxidizes and swells. Just a beware, it probably take more than a lifetime to happen but....


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Zack T Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 354 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2010	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #19 - Jul 29^th, 2017 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	Steve Durren wrote a great series of articles on turning one of these into a fine schuetzen. I believe treebone cuts a stock for it


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Dr.J Junior Member Offline Posts: 73 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 22^nd, 2015	Re: H&R CR-1871 Reply #20 - Nov 28^th, 2018 at 11:51pm	Print Post
	Where did you find the articles by Steve Darren on converting the H&R to a schutzen rifle? Thanks, Tom


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