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norseman Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Suffolk Joined: Jan 13^th, 2008	Rolling Block Military Jan 13^th, 2008 at 4:28pm	Print Post
	Hello everyone, new to the site, I have a Remington rolling block that looks like a Spanish made #1. The nickel finish is pretty bad and I cannot read the stamp on the frame behind the hammer. Cannot find anything else on the rifle. Has a wooded top with an elevation rear sight. The chamber is rimless and measures .468, and has a sliding ejector. The end of the barrel measures .278. The gun has the full wood forarm with the ram rod. Any help in identifying the caliber would be greatly appreciated. Norseman


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norseman Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Suffolk Joined: Jan 13^th, 2008	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #1 - Jan 14^th, 2008 at 6:07pm	Print Post
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norseman Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Suffolk Joined: Jan 13^th, 2008	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #2 - Jan 14^th, 2008 at 6:08pm	Print Post
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norseman Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Suffolk Joined: Jan 13^th, 2008	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #3 - Jan 14^th, 2008 at 6:10pm	Print Post
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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #4 - Jan 14^th, 2008 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	It's probably 7mm Mauser, but I wouldn't try to shoot it.

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j sells Full Member Offline Life is too short to rush Posts: 115 Location: Charleston Joined: Mar 13^th, 2007	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #5 - Jan 15^th, 2008 at 2:42am	Print Post
	I agree with Jeff, 7mm probably 1897 model 5. JS

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norseman Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Suffolk Joined: Jan 13^th, 2008	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #6 - Jan 16^th, 2008 at 8:22am	Print Post
	Thanks for the information- Any suggestions on where I could find a octagon barrel for a 357 mag?


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Redwing Oldtimer Offline Posts: 586 Location: Canton Joined: Nov 4^th, 2007	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #7 - Jan 16^th, 2008 at 12:11pm	Print Post
	Hey Norseman !!! Your picture is kinda fuzzy but I don’t believe it’s a 7MM Mauser just because all Remington No. 5 actions had a rotating extractor that had a spring action to snap into the channel of the rimless case. In looking real close, it looks like the breach is cut for a rimmed case with a sliding extractor. I know you said its rimless but it looks like it may take a rimmed cartridge, Is there an area that may have eroded??? Is there an "off-set" on the inside of the extractor bar??? With sales for the offshore market, Remington would chamber whatever caliber that country was using.. No reason that barrel could not be re-lined to fit any size ammo you would like, including a 357. Redwing~


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norseman Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Suffolk Joined: Jan 13^th, 2008	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #8 - Jan 16^th, 2008 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	Redwing The extractor does have an off set as though it is for a rimmed, there is no evidence on the breech of errision. The hammer is flat up angainst the flat surface of the breech. I will see if I can get a better picture tonight. Thanks


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Redwing Oldtimer Offline Posts: 586 Location: Canton Joined: Nov 4^th, 2007	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #9 - Jan 16^th, 2008 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Hi Norseman !!! Time to eat my words…. Below is a site that has an excellent variety of European firearms which includes a great description and photos of each.. Looking at the RRB category I found a 7MM with a sliding extractor… If you have the time, look through the lot and find the one that looks the most like yours.. Redwing~ (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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j sells Full Member Offline Life is too short to rush Posts: 115 Location: Charleston Joined: Mar 13^th, 2007	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #10 - Jan 16^th, 2008 at 6:31pm	Print Post
	Norseman, The 1897 was chambered in 7mm and the early ones had the sliding extractors. I've read that the rotary was later incorporated in the 97s. I personally have seen the rotary spring extractor in the #5 with the 1901 patent date. Earlier rollers with rotary extractors were for rimmed cart. and were made different than the 7mm. This later model had a screw down below the front pin on left size. This screw is a stop for the extractor. JS

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norseman Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Suffolk Joined: Jan 13^th, 2008	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #11 - Jan 16^th, 2008 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	I compared mine to the site Redbird suggested, it is identical to the M1897 17X57 with the exception of the block. Mine is smooth and the one on the site #386 has a raise area around the firing pin. Thanks Guys


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marlinguy Ex Member Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater!	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #12 - Jan 16^th, 2008 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	Just a note Norseman; that probably isn't a "nickel" finish. It should be casehardened, which gets a "nickel" like appearance when it is very old and worn off.

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norseman Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Location: Suffolk Joined: Jan 13^th, 2008	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #13 - Jan 21^st, 2008 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	couple more questions - can I remove the case hardened finish and if so how? and can I blue the action once removed. Has anyone done the rebarrel that Frank DeHaas suggests in his book Mr. Single Shots Gunsmithing. Using the old barrle and siver soildering a new barrel into it? Thanks


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mwhite49 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Camarillo California Joined: Nov 14^th, 2007	Re: Rolling Block Military Reply #14 - Jan 30^th, 2008 at 12:42pm	Print Post
	You can send the action in and have it annealed to remove the case hardening. This will aoow you to refinish the exterior aand get rid of the pits shown in the picture, annealing will make the job easy. Then even if you want to blue the reciever it will haave to be re case hardened, thaat is whaat gives the action it's strength. After color casing you could polish it and blue it but the color case looks real nice. Any good gunsmith could put a liner in it for you. Hope this helps. Mike


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