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John P Lower Sharps Borchardt
Jan 12th, 2008 at 6:49pm
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After visiting this great site for some time I have finally taken the plunge to join your learned group.  I have a question regarding cartouches on military style '78 Sharps Borchardts.  I have seen several of these rifles sporting a cartouche of a circle with a script L and B monogram.  One of these, shown on the James Julia auction page, was attributed to J.P. Lower of Denver, CO in the write up.  For the life of me I can't see how they get J.P.Lower out of that cartouche.  On page 280 of Ned Roberts book "The Breach Loading Single Shot Rifle"  there is reference to John P. Lower being an expert marksman with the Sharps-Borchardt military rifle when he was in the Denver Rifle Club so there appears to be some connection with the Lower gunshop being involved with the '78 musket.  Can anyone confirm the cartouche I described above equates to J.P. Lower?
  

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Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 8:01am
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Hello Thop,

I would agree with you in that the cartouche doesn't match up. I have seen pictures of Sharps 1878 Borchardts handled by J.P.Lower in his capacity as a distributer of Sharps Rifles in the Denver, Colorado, area.

These were usually stamped on the barrel with either J.P.Lower. Denver. Col. or J.P.Lower Den. Col.

Lower owned at least three 1878 Borchards (of various models) himself and used them in sales demonstrations and competition.

Whilst Lower may have liked the 1878 Borchardt personally, he found them difficult to sell them on, and indeed wrote to the Sharps Factory asking that they "send him no more of the hammerless models as they didn't sell", purchasers apparently liking the earlier Sharps models with the side hammer.

Cartouches on the stocks are, more often than not, marks applied by the inspectors of military issue weapons. These could either be the Inspectors initials,  Regiment markings, or something similar, although it's not beyond the bounds of possibility they could be a commercial distributers mark. 

However, none of the bulk sales of the military 1878 listed by Sellers  in his book Sharps Firearms (some 17 in all) have the initials L & B. in their name.

Yours is an interesting query, I hope someone can come up with a verifiable answer.

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Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 10:42am
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I agree with Harry that it is most likely a military inspectors mark.  I have a model 1874 military stock that has at least 5 different sets of inspectors marks on it.  None of them match the one in your picture, however but the script style is very similar.  4 are outlined with different shaped rectangles and one is just a set of 3 letters with nothing around it.  If a rifle passed through Lower's shop, it usually was stamped on the top of the barrel with J.P.Lower.  Bob
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:07pm
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just an offhand comment:  I imagine that most if not all the markings stamped or branded into the stocks of military arms are various gvt. inspectors acceptance stamps.  There may be some unit markings on a few and perhaps a few individual owners marks
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 4:59pm
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Harry, Bob, DWS,

Thanks for your response and comments.  It's interesting how many Borchardt Military Rifles display this cartouche.  I don't believe the Borachardt was ever a standard federal U.S. government issue weapon  since there was apparently only approximately 6900 produced, according to Flaydrman's.  I suppose it could be an inspector's cartouche from a state militia or even an overseas order, as apparently several were exported.  Possibly the answer lives in one of the several fine books on the subject that are available.  This may be a good research project for my spare time.  Thanks again for your excellent responses.  THOP
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 5:37pm
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Hello Thop,

According to Sellers book on Sharps Firearms, 11,858 Military Rifles and 284 Military Carbines were manufactured.

300 of these went to China and have Chinese script on the barrel, which when translated reads 'Old Reliable' a Sharps Trademark. Another 3,220 were bought for export to South America in 1878 and 1879.

In all some 22,000 model 1878's were manufactured in several variants. The Sharps Factory records are somewhat sketchy for this model and the records are not complete.

Your correct in that the US Government did not adopt this rifle but several State Militia's did. The largest order being one of 1,300 rifles for Michigan.

When the Sharps Factory closed, it would appear that the remaing stock was bought up by surplus arms companies. I have a copy of a cataloge from Hartley and Graham of New York, undated but apparently circa 1900 where surplus 1878 Military Borchardts could be had for  $11.33 cents each or at $9.50 each if purchased in cases of 10 rifles. If they were offering discounts for cases of rifles they must have had a large number of them

This company must have bought most of the Sharps Factory weapons remaing when the factory closed as they also offered all the Sharps reloading tools, numerous spare parts for the 1874 Sharps, sights etc. 

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Reply #6 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 5:56pm
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Harry, Wow!...22,000!  That really makes Flayderman's estimate of approx 8900 pretty conservative.  Maybe the fact that they were surplused off in large case lots contributed to the number of them in good condition that exist, much like the trapdoor Springfields.  Thank you very much for looking the indormation up in Seller's book and your very informative bots.  THOP
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2008 at 10:03pm
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I cannot remember where I ran across it but the cartouche mentioned above is one placed there by an inspector at the Sharps factory.  I believe the lettering inside the circle was his initials.  If I can find my source of information I'll pass it along. 
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Re: John P Lower Sharps Borchardt
Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2008 at 10:22pm
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I have this same cartouche on my Borchardt military model.  Additionaly there is a small scripted "L" stamp underneath the receiver towards the rear and on  the barrel underneath the forearm.

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Reply #9 - Jan 27th, 2008 at 12:49pm
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The small scripted "L" on the barrel and receiver is an inspector's mark, inspected by L.L. Hepburn who was employed by the Sharps before goinh to Remington.
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 27th, 2008 at 5:28pm
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That's interesting ZRIFLEMAN.  Do you think the "L" in the barrel markings is referring to the same person the "L" in the stock carouche identifies?  THOP
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 27th, 2008 at 11:43pm
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I doubt it. Cartouches are just that. Borchardts were sold to police departments, national guard units, governments. The Sellers book give hints at where and who bought them. My musket has CP in a circle for the cartouche. How many Borchardts were actually produced is still open to question since records at the end are hazy.
  
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Re: John P Lower Sharps Borchardt
Reply #12 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 12:04am
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Thop,
does your rifle have a cartouche on the forestock?

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Reply #13 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 10:14am
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Joe,

There is a very small "B" inside a circle immediately ahead of the rear sling swivel.  THOP
  

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Re: John P Lower Sharps Borchardt
Reply #14 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 9:32pm
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Thop, 

Here's what mine has.   

The cartouche on the buttstock is the same as yours.
My rifle has a 2.6 chamber.  I dont like shooting it. 
It kills at both ends  Angry  It has a very nice trigger.  Smiley


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