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Re: What Model Stevens is this?
Reply #15 - Nov 27th, 2007 at 3:04am
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Looks like a Favorite Model 21 (Ladies Model)except for the butt stock and sights.  This model has the fore end shown and the flush fitting set screw from my 1911 catalog.  The stock on the model 21, however, has a different shape and a Swiss style butt plate.  Rear sight shown looks like a Lyman.  Standard was a Stevens 102 Vernier and Beach Combination front with the standard 112 sporting rear.  Serial numbers (if they are serial numbers) are not much help with Stevens firearms in my experience.  Interesting rifle regardless and worth premiem price for high grade Favorite.
  
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Re: What Model Stevens is this?
Reply #16 - Nov 27th, 2007 at 2:22pm
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IMHO; 

I agree, the patent date tells it all…. It’s a “95” Favorite that had a make-over quite some time ago… Not saying it’s a fake but so many “artist’s” around today are doing great things. So much for the 800.00 offer!!!! 

Got to: Hold it, feel it, squeeze it and then make an offer….
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 27th, 2007 at 6:59pm
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According to Sharp's Rifle In America the Favorite was available in a Bicycle Model also known as a Model 21.  Came with a case and lighter barrel.  However, he also notes that a charge sheet from Stevens in 1902 offered barrels in various lengths, breech blocks to convert to .22, .25, and .32 cal rf as well as shot cartridges at additional cost.  Also a variety of stocks both plain and fancy, checked and unchecked, stright grip and pistol grip, and with shotgun style butt plate and matching fore ends.  Sharp does not mention the Swiss type butt plate that is pictured in my later printed catalog.   Does mention Lyman sights available both front and a flip down tang sight.  From this info this rifle could all be original via a special order.  Sights for these small rifles are devilishly difficult to locate in my experience and if these are original would add considerable to value.  Worth the effort to fake?  That is the question.
  
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Re: What Model Stevens is this?
Reply #18 - Nov 29th, 2007 at 4:06pm
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Then there is the consideration of fake or fake. By that I mean, is it a gun made to decieve, or is it a gun made up to be like one that was desired, but not readilly available or affordable. Look at the market in this day and age, for accesories, new stocks, and other such stuff for new rifles. 
Just because ou could not get what you wanted from the factory, does not mean that you cannot have what you want!

While not original, the latter are still a good deal for the guy that wants a good lookin' shooter. I think it helps if it is a "known" rather than a "learned" issue with it's originality.

I am certain that there are guys around with a hoard of small parts and actions as someday projects. I am pretty sure this is not a new thing, either.

In the case of this particular gun, it would be  reasonable thing, to get it into the hands of a person that was able to properly evaluate it, I think, or at least, get some more details to have on hand for a potential buyer to be able to assess the gun on it's own merits.

It's a good looking piece. Value, is going to be different for the folks that are interested in it for different reasons, whether it was wanted as a collector, a shooter, or as a parts source for a restoration of another gun, I suppose.

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Reply #19 - Dec 2nd, 2007 at 12:52pm
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True enough, particularily when dealing with Stevens rifles because the true (catalog) model numbers are not marked on the rifle itself.  The different Models are made from the basic rifle plus different combinations of sights, stocks, levers, checkering etc.  This is how Stevens created the various models and an individual could do the same with a little effort. This is further compiicated by engineering and manufactureing changes made over the years some of which are unique and rare enough to have an effect on value. The factory records went up in flames years ago so there is no help there and serial numbers do not seem follow any pattern if indeed the numbers are serial numbers. Collectors and shooters have a different value system as well. Stevens rifles are an interesting study and allows one to play detective (as in this case) without spending any money.  My collection is very small these days.  One could spend a lifetime and a small fortune collecting all of the various models and variations of the Favorite alone.  All of them, plain or fancy, shoot about the same.  To each his own.
  
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Re: What Model Stevens is this?
Reply #20 - Dec 2nd, 2007 at 3:58pm
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To add even more confusion to an already confusing Stevens line. In the early pre-Savage days, a customer could special order just about anything he wanted from Stevens. Any type of lever, checkering, barrel contour, stock, buttplate, or whatever....as long as it fit the frame size requested.
This makes a number of Stevens rifles almost impossible to categorize as to what model they are. A gun with a cheekpiece as std. could be ordered without the cheekpiece, or a model w/o a cheekpiece could be ordered with one! 
It's neat to see the various "one of a kind" rifles that Stevens put out, but it really makes the collectors who like everything neat and catalogued, just a little nuts!
Stevens was also one of the few big gunmakers who would gladly wor on other maker's guns! We see a lot of Winchester and Ballard single shot rifles with Stevens markings on the barrel, and even Stevens case colors and stock styles. They would completely rebuild any gun, if the customer wanted them to, and had the money!
  
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Re: What Model Stevens is this?
Reply #21 - Dec 2nd, 2007 at 5:16pm
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A standard model 17 Favorite could be had for $6.00 in 1912.  The example we have been looking at would have cost perhaps $30.00 from the factory.  Of course, those were pre income tax, gold standard dollars.  A new Stevens octagon barrel cost $2.00.  How much did the barrel maker make?  Different times. I wonder what the next mystery item will be?
  
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