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Dating an 1885
Nov 3rd, 2007 at 1:51pm
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I have a leaf spring Hiwall, which makes it a pre 1920 as I understand. There is no serial number, but there is a 17 stamped on the action in front of the lever. Any ideas of the approximate year it was manufactured? Any place else to look for clues?
  
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Re: Dating an 1885
Reply #1 - Nov 3rd, 2007 at 3:35pm
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I don't have my literature on that handy, but I do remember that the leaf spring production ended at least a decade earlier than the 1920 date you cite.  I believe it was closer to 1906 or '08.  One problem with the 'wals is that when a receiver gets separated from its trigger tang, the serial number goes with it.  Sad

You can look at the top tang and see how the sear spring is mounted (screw from bottom or top, all the way through, etc. and whether the Winchester roll stamp appears on it...that will help somebody who has the right knowledge identify the general age, but of course not the actual SN.  You cn also look at the configuration of the frame (thin side or thick side, octagon or round top, groove or no groove on top, etc to get further hints of age.

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Re: Dating an 1885
Reply #2 - Nov 6th, 2007 at 9:21am
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I have a a 22 highwall which has a 17 with a short dash underneath it.  Look to see if it has a 22 breech block in it.  These were some of the early 22 Winder muskets and should date around 1904-1906.  Check Campbell's book; the chapter titled "Variations of the Single Shot".  Bob
  
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Re: Dating an 1885
Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2007 at 1:50pm
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I have a high wall 26" 32-40 with a straight grip that has no serial number.  The tang certainly looks like it has always lived on the rifle even through a magnifying glass.  I suspicion that at least some of these rifles with no serial number were lunch box guns but how would you ever know.
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Re: Dating an 1885
Reply #4 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 4:07pm
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Hello all,

The coil-spring was formally introduced circa March 1908, and I have encountered a few that were made as early as late 1907. That said, I have also encountered a fair number of post-1908 manufactured high-walls with flat-spring actions (most likely specifically ordered that way to eliminate the half-cock safety feature).

Does the lower tang have the patent date stamped on it, or is the patent date stamped on the upper tang or barrel?

Bert
  

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