If I am reading correctly Dave Stahl shot a very fine 2216-4C (200 yards) at the Etta Green 2007 rimfire match. Has anyone have imput
regarding the .22 rimfire, or a .22 centerfire, being used at 200 yards
in the schuetzen "golden era"?

fred

It is even more amazing to me that Dave Stahl shot 100 rounds at 100 yards offhand, then 100 rounds at 200 yards offhand, ALL IN ONE DAY MIND YOU,
AND HAD SCORES OF:  2227-8 CENTERS AT 100 YARDS, AND 2216-4 CENTERS AT 200 YARDS.   

Note:  In case you haven't noticed, that is averaging better than the 22 ring on the 25 ring target!  Outstanding shooting, to be sure!!

Talk about a marathon, This guy did it!  I was there.  Congratulations Dave!

Bill Schertz

The "center", the 25 ring is 1.5" on the 200 yard target.

fred

rimfire, IIRC, there WAS a 200 yd match for .22 rf back in the "Golden Age" around the turn of the last century.  I have seen references to that in both the old ASSRA News and Single Shot Exchange.  These arrticles would have to be at least 12-15 years or more ago, though, so memory is cloudy.  Again from memory, there were a couple of articles about the development of .22 LR rounds...I think they were trying to get out beyond the limits of .22 short which people HAD TRIED to shoot 200  yds outdoors.  I bet THAT was an exercise in frustration! 
Anyway, it appears that there is truly nothing new under the sun, and what goes around comes around in shooting like in other human endeavors.

Regards,
Froggie

Fredrick,

Precision Shooting had an article in the Nov 2002 issue on 200 yard offhand rimfire shooting. Lots of references to matches special ammo developed (labeled) for 200 yard shooting and rifles built for matches at those distances. It was documented with references to several publications.  Notably CS Landis book Hunting with the .22.

For example the first Winchester 52's had a receiver mounted ladder sight graduated to 300 yards.  It seems most of the activity was in the mid 1920's or well past the golden era of Schuetzen

If anybody want's a photo copy send me a private mail

Boats

I saw an article reporting the results of a monthly match of the Davenport (IA) Shooting Association in 1908.  The article highlighted the fact that a fellow won the stich target with a shot less than a quarter inch from the center, and that he did it with a "little .22".  The matches were all at 200 yards.   

That it was remarked on indicates that it was unusual for a .22 to win, but indicates they were in use in competition at least locally at the time.  Most shooters were using .32 cal, both breechloaders and muzzleloaders.

I have also seen advice given that someone getting started in schuetzen could do well with a .22 cal.  This in an article published in the 19 teens or 20's.  Now I'll have to find it.

As far as number of shots, when I am working in Sioux City I can slip over to the range during lunch hour and put 50 shots into a target.

Fred,

While someone else may have another opinion I don't see much need to allow rimfires at 200 yards in the same match as centerfire Schuetzens.  We have 100 yard 100 shot matches in our local Schuetzen matches. 100 yards rimfire is a very close match to 200 yards Centerfire, score wise on the same target. Same in MOA that is. If offered and I have the time I like to shoot two Hudsons one centerfire and one rimfire.

As far as attracting new shooters thats a good thing but if the match is too difficult it could be a negative. At our Club Silouette matches we generaly let a new person shoot anything thats safe, if there equipment is not up to the  job we generaly don't see them back.

200 rimfire offhand has it's own set of problems and would be very frustrating to new or inexperenced shooters.  For example that article in PS I mentioned has details of 200 yard offhand matches they are running in a local club.  The match has to be spotted by two spotters working for the shooter, the bullet holes are so hard to resolve the competior can't do it effectively while shooting his relay.   If the wind is up they don't run the match or convert it to a prone match. Having said it's difficult and has problems I do think in perfect conditons with the right shooter and outfit it could be a way to shoot a very high score.

Of course there is nothing I see in the rules that prohibits local Clubs from setting up any course of fire they want to.  I did see WSU allows rimfires in centerfire events. I have never been to Etna Green but it seems there is a full slate of matches avalable, something for eveyone. 

Boats

Dick,

The rules have to be changed by procedures. 

You being a member should submit a written proposal to the Vice- President stating why the change would be beneficial to the ASSRA, include your Name and Member ID number so we can check to be sure you are a member in good standing, the VP will pass the proposal to the match/rules committee  and they will research it then give a recommendation to the board, that will then discuss the matter and vote on whether to change the said rules/rule.

That is how it should be done.


Keith Foster
ASSRA Board member

I had written this from memory, but have changed it as above.