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Early low wall
Oct 18th, 2007 at 7:06pm
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I own an early Low wall winchester? described by my friend "the machinest". Im looking for someone who can help me determine if it was made by Winchester or is one of the rare Browning made guns. I will be sendin pix to "the machinest" so he can post them.
It has a non original round barrel in 218 bee, receiver is engraved and reblue, new stock also.
My big question is it a Winchester or Browning? It has a 3 digit serial number forward of the loading lever on the frame. Only markings on receiver is xxx and a patent date on lower tang.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Early low wall
Reply #1 - Oct 18th, 2007 at 9:48pm
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Bigdoug,

     Welcome aboard.  We all love a challenge here when it comes to ID'ing a rifle, etc.  If it is a 'wall of any stripe, some of us get all interested in a BIG hurry, 'cause that's what we like!  Wink

     Anyhooo, the first thing to remember is that any alterations make the rifle that much harder to ID, but let's look at what you have.  First, how is the trigger tang set up?  Is it part of the receiver shell and not removable, or are there two screws, one on each side of the receiver that retain a separate piece that can slide out of the shell and be changed?  If the former, it may well be Browning made, if the latter, it is most probably not.  BTW, Winchesters did not have the roll mark on their top tang throughout the manufacturing run, and it is not at all unusual for those markings to have been polished off and or engraved over, either.  The serial number and patent date on the lower tang are definitely right for it to be a Winchester, I don't know about those markings on a Browning, though.  Undecided

     Looking at the shape of the breechblock would also help.  Is it scalloped down to sort of match the contour of the lowered sidewalls, or is it high like a high-wall and just rounded off a little on the back corners?  Also, is the receiver totally flat on the sides (a type mistakenly called by some a "thick side") or does it flare at front and back where it meets the wood?  Another aspect of the shape is in profile, does the rear of the receiver make a straight line down each side or does the wood make a little arch into the receiver?  All of these, absent a picture, will help with the ID process.  Regardless, figuring this all out will be an enjoyable exercise.  Cheesy

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Re: Early low wall
Reply #2 - Oct 18th, 2007 at 9:51pm
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Bigdoug, you have not answered the question posed by a few responses. Does it have a Lower Tang that is inserted into the reciever and held by two screws, one on each side? If it has it IS Winchester. All of the Brownings incorporated an integral Lower Tang. That is the Lower Tang was part of the reciever casting or forging. Also the top of the frame was very rounded not at all distinctive like the Hiwall Winchester. All of the Brownings I have seen or read about were in BIG calibers. The kind used on big game in the West and North. I have been collecting Hiwall and Lowall rifles and Winchesters in general for 46 years and was a looker and reader before that and have never heard of a Browning Lowall. Regards, FITZ Smiley
  

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Re: Early low wall
Reply #3 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 4:23pm
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The low-wall you have was manufactured no earlier than mid year 1887 (circa serial number 17,000). It is what I refer to as a "Second" variation low-wall, and it is the most common variation. It was in production from mid 1887 to early 1918.

Browning never manufactured a low-wall, and his single shot receiver frame was somewhat different than what Winchester manufactured (after William Mason tweaked it).

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