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Remelting Lubed Bullets
Oct 14th, 2007 at 5:27pm
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I'm about to start casting for the first time.  Before I bought molds and all the other gear, I bought a variety of commercial bullets to find out what works in my rifles.  Turns out my 38-55 is pretty picky and I have quite a collection of lubed bullets that fly sideways.

They are all 20-1 lead-tin, which is what I intend to use when casting.  Can I just put these in the mix as is or do I need to clean off the lube first?  If they should be cleaned, what's the best way to do it?

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Reply #1 - Oct 14th, 2007 at 6:23pm
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FEB,  Just from my personal expereince.   I've remelted lubed bullets relatively often.  the lube melts off easily.  it can stink up the house which can be hazardous to your health both mental and physical.  Better to do it outdoors where only the EPA or local fire department will cause trouble.

  Actually I simply ignite it as it gasses off and it burns without too much smoke that way.  Also I add just a few at a time so that the lube stays on the surface.  I figured that dumping too many in at one time  might carry some below the surface be fore it gassified and might result in bubbles spattering molten lead.   might not be as bad as adding water laden scrap lead but it wasn;t an experiment I wanted to try.

other opinions and experiences may vary and the degree of risk may vary with lubes but so far it has worked OK for me.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 14th, 2007 at 6:23pm
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as you do not know what they really are use them for fishing wieghts but do not contaminate any good alloy you have mixed. with some oner else's junk.
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Reply #3 - Oct 14th, 2007 at 7:28pm
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As Irish says,  unless you are really sure what the alloy is, and that the maker is really reputable, you may not wish to mix the resulting alloy melt with any other stuff.  Particularly if you have bought any of the high quality 20 or 30/1 bars like the ones "woody" woodruff sells at some of the EG matches.

scrounging/mixing alloys is one of the side-games we get involved in.  Be sure to latch onto as much real pure lead and any old clearly marked plumbers solder as you can.  There are sources for pure lead, lab-quality alloys, and pure tin.  Working with salvage lead of unknown quality can be an interesting journey all of its own.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 14th, 2007 at 7:51pm
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FEB:

As you say you know the alloy of the bullet and it is the same as what you intend to cast with, you can indeed toss them in the mix. It will make a lot of smoke though.

I used to use lubed bullets to flux with. They work just fine for that and is no extra work. Just keep them on the casting bench and when you need to flux just toss a couple in.

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Reply #5 - Oct 14th, 2007 at 11:18pm
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If you're concerned about splattering lead with solid lube carried down into a hot pot simply place the lubed bullets on top of a cold pot. The lube will melt well before the lead is liquid. As noted it will produce vast clouds of acrid smoke. This may bring back pleasant memories of the last time you shot black powder but it's more likely to remind you of a kitchen grease fire. Should you decide to ignite the smoke be aware that it will flash impressively in most cases. Have your gloves on when you take a match to it.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 15th, 2007 at 9:47am
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I've placed the bullets on a couple of paper towels over some newspaper and then heated them with a hair dryer.  The paper towels will absorb the old lube.  Pick them up before the lube rehardens or they will be stuck to the paper towel.  I tried melting a bunch once in a cold pot but the lube messed up my pot for quite some time.  As Glenn says, using them for flux works great but may take a while to get rid of depending on how many you have.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 15th, 2007 at 6:17pm
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Just another thought,
It occurred to me that maybe you could boil them in old coffee cans. Make the water  plenty deeper than the piles of bullets.   When the lube floats to the top you can chill the cans in the fridge, or outside in winter then harvest the solidified lube off the top for reuse.  I'd think the bullets should be reasonably clean.   Maybe a trip in a mesh bag or container through the dishwasher (when you are home alone) would get'em squeeky clean.

I usually keep my fresh cast bullets in boxes in my basement freezer.  when I'm getting ready to go shooting I take out enough,  let'em warm to room temp then lightly bake them in a toaster oven---about 180 or so for a while then drop them in cold water to get an even temper for the batch before I pan lube them.   the toaster oven would also melt the lube off onto folded paper towels, or a drip pan if you wanted to keep it.
  

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Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2007 at 8:16pm
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As you were boiling them in the coffee can you could also skim off the lighter bullets that float to the top. Grin
  
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Re: Remelting Lubed Bullets
Reply #9 - Oct 15th, 2007 at 8:38pm
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FEB, you got some good advice. You really don't know what the Alloy is. There are a lot of opinions on Alloy. There are many who feel that if you take X amount of Linotype and Y amount of Pure lead you can come up with an Alloy that is the (EQUAL???) of 20/1 or some other quantified Alloy. Then there are those of us that are fussy.  20/1 lead tin means 20 LBS of pure lead to 1 LB of pure tin. That is 20/1 lead/tin.
This is an issue that wil NEVER go away because there have been enough successful groups or matches shot with Alloy's made with both methods. I personally after many years of shooting have arrived at the Pure Lead and Pure Tin position. Don't want to take the time to find and buy the right stuff and spoil it with some unknown stuff. AND, if by the way you come up with an Alloy that shoots and works well how do you replicate it? Use the comercial stuff for Pistol bullets or something that does not mean so much to you and stick to the material over which you have complete control. Regards, FITZ. Smiley
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 15th, 2007 at 10:33pm
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My thanks to everyone!

I have gone back over my various collections of bullets and sorted them by my confidence that the source really used 20 to 1 lead-tin.  The ones where I am confident of the supplier will go in the pot.  The others have been put aside and will end up as hidden car weights on my model railroad (sorry, I don't fish).

The good ones I have cleaned up using the hair dryer technique.  That really works!  Most of the lube ran right off when they got hot.  (The toaster oven sounds good, too, but we don't have one.)  After wiping them with paper towels, they still had a bit of a sheen on them, so I put them in a plastic coffee can with hot water and a dose of Simple Green.  After shaking them for a minute or so I dumped them in the sieve I use for brass coming out of the tumbler and rinsed them with hot water.  The lube is gone.

All this because my 38-55 Marlin Ballard has a fussy old 1 in 20 twist barrel, suppliers sell bullets in boxes of 50, few of the bullets I tried went straight, and I really, really wanted to get that old rifle to shoot.  Shooting these old rifles is a wonderful obsession, isn't it?

A friend has offered me lots of wheel weights for free.  I'll take your advice and keep them out of my rifles.

Again, my thanks for all your advice.  For a relative beginner, it's great to have somewhere to turn for help.

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Re: Remelting Lubed Bullets
Reply #11 - Oct 16th, 2007 at 11:17am
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One of the problems which may be adding to your bullet instability problem could be shooting bullets that are too small in diameter. If you check your Ballard's groove diameter it may be .380" or even larger. Standard .375" diameter bullets won't do well in it no matter what the weight. I guess I am saying slug the bore and measure groove diameter before you search for the perfect bullet.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 16th, 2007 at 6:50pm
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Quarter Bore,

First thing I had my gunsmith do when I bought the rifle was check it out and slug the bore.  It's a .380.  All the bullets that I have tried are .380 or resized .381.  I'll save the long version, but after many bullets and a shift in powder from Schuetzen 2fg to Swiss 3fg, I have a combination that shoots.  It's a 275 grain bullet with 48.6 grains of 3fg Swiss and a Walters fiber wad.  With the slow twist barrel, the real key seemed to be getting the velocity up with the Swiss.

Someday I may rebarrel it with a faster twist, but for now this works.

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