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Reply #15 - Jun 5th, 2007 at 6:46pm
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Cat_Whisperer wrote on Jun 5th, 2007 at 1:28pm:
Jim_Borton wrote on Jun 4th, 2007 at 8:21pm:
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That makes perfect sense - it's commonly used when tapping CI !

Why didn't I think of that?

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Reply #16 - Jun 6th, 2007 at 1:25am
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Over on the British Militaris Forum they have a discussion on this topic going also.  The approach is a little different.  The are boring in a milling maching and using a rotary table.  They have pictures of tooling and set ups.

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Reply #17 - Jun 6th, 2007 at 6:07am
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DD - thanks!  (I have a mil and have considered using the rotary table for this type of operation - in addition to using a double acting vice and simply using a boring bar.)

  

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Reply #18 - Jun 6th, 2007 at 6:17am
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Cat,
Another suggestion: Get Guy Lautard's "Machinist's Bedside Reader" series of books. In one of them Guy discusses making molds, and a quicker setup for centering the cavity.
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Reply #19 - Jun 6th, 2007 at 8:33am
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Thanks,  I'd heard of that book, so looks like I'll have to chase one down.

  

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Reply #20 - Jun 6th, 2007 at 10:42am
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Tim, don't we have a link  to Guy Lautard on the cannon list?
  

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Reply #21 - Jun 6th, 2007 at 12:48pm
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Shameless plug for my employer here:  Brownells, (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links), has all three volumes, and flat rate U.S. shipping.  Enter "Lautard" in the Search block on the website.

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Reply #22 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 7:09am
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Buy the set of three, I did and will NEVER regret it.


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Reply #23 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 8:49am
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What Keith said, and plenty of it!
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Re: Making/modifying lathe-bored moulds
Reply #24 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 9:28pm
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I appreciate the endorsements - makes the decision to part with money easier knowing the reputation of quality!

Still at a crude level here; fist pix is of home-made boring bar holder and second of FIRST attempts at making some lathe cutters for making a cavity.

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Reply #25 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 9:46pm
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Those lathe boring bars, and the holder, look very nicely done!

Is that first boring bar a commercial holder? Carbide insert, I assume?
I've been looking for one simillar that I can afford for a while... too cheap to pony up so far.

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Re: Making/modifying lathe-bored moulds
Reply #26 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 10:46pm
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The carbide insert is in a heavy-metal 1/4" dia. boring bar (ebay purchase).

The holders are 1144 stress proof 'rounds' which are scrap from work (read: free).

The cutters are A2 3/8 diameter milled almost 1/2 way down, rotated about 5 degrees.  And poorly heat treated in a 5C collet while turning with a tourch.  (When I get serious about grinding one, I'll have it done professionally - but at this stage everything I do is a learning experience whether it succedes on the first or 10th try.)

I did learn from the rounded one that I needed a bunch more clearance under the nose itself - might warrent a nose-tip only cutter and a cutter for the ogive.

Still in the experimenting stage, piece with first cuts is still chucked up.

  

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Reply #27 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 11:14pm
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Cat, I can tell from looking at your tools that you're the sort of fellow that will really enjoy Guy Lautard's books. I started buying them back about 20 yrs ago or more as I remember, and eagerly await each new one. The guy is not a gunsmith per se nor is he what I call a toolmaker, but his writing is the stuff of genius IMO. He takes an eminently practical approach to almost every challenge and shows and/or suggests ways for the average fellow to accomplish wonders using fairly unsophisticated methods and tooling.

Among other things of interest is a description of how to color-case-harden, in a backyard oven, carbon steel such as the Sharps 1878 Borchardt action he describes barreling to 30-40. His reprinting of the famous J.M. Pyne stories by Lucian Carey have become modern classics and his own fiction writing is also entertaining, or at least it was for me.
Money WELL spent IMO, regards, Joe
  
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