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Irascible
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Wind Probes
May 15
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I noticed two different types of wind probes at Etna Green. One low one with a toilet float and a taller one with two cups glued together. Where do you get either? Prices? Which one is better (that opened a can of worms!). Does anybody have a web sight address?
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Re: Wind Probes
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The toilet bowl float is a design made by someone local to the Ft Wayne area. As I recall I paid around $200 for it. The other design has some added features and comes in a large and small version somewhere priced between $300-$400.
The toilet bowl design has no dampening. It is simply counterweighted. Sensitivity can be adjusted by adding more counterweight or moving the counterweight up or down (limited travel).
The other design has a built in dampener, sort of a piston in a closed tube affair. This tends to smooth out the changes in wind changes. It also has a counterweight to adjust for wind strength.
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Here is the guy to get hold of for the probe you shot over at the 22 shoot:
e-mail me at Genebeggs@cableone.net, I'll tell you everything I know about the Wind Probe.
This is the guy that came up with them.
A very well done product.
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MI-shooter wrote
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The toilet bowl float is a design made by someone local to the Ft Wayne area. As I recall I paid around $200 for it. The other design has some added features and comes in a large and small version somewhere priced between $300-$400.
The toilet bowl design has no dampening. It is simply counterweighted. Sensitivity can be adjusted by adding more counterweight or moving the counterweight up or down (limited travel).
The other design has a built in dampener, sort of a piston in a closed tube affair. This tends to smooth out the changes in wind changes. It also has a counterweight to adjust for wind strength.
I kept on looking for the decimal points in those prices, thought my cataracts had finally got the better of me, but My Bride smilingly pointed out that there weren't no stinkin' decimal points! Wow!
Just color me amazed, Joe
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Lends some credence to a theory I've been collecting data on for years...
Benchresters are crazy!
(What, a stick and some orange streamer tape like the prone shooters at our club uses is too "cheap" for the bench guys? They have to spend $200-$400 on a WIND FLAG?!?!... Clinically insane...)
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Re: Wind Probes
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and that just tells you the left-right component of the wind. You still need another gizmo to tell direction.
Ain't there a game where a .22 rifle and a box of ammo is all ya need?
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22rf silhouettes?
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offhand schutzen
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Offnand Schuezen you can read the wind by watching conditons on trees, grass, dust from bullet strikes etc. The best wind guage anywere is your sighter target. Shoot one and see were it goes.
And you can use all the benchrest shooters wind gizmos.
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boats wrote
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Offnand Schuezen you can read the wind by watching conditons on trees, grass, dust from bullet strikes etc. The best wind guage anywere is your sighter target. Shoot one and see were it goes.
And you can use all the benchrest shooters wind gizmos.
Boats
Well, that sorta depends on the match that you are shooting. A WSU match gives you 10 minutes for intial sighters and that's it for the rest of the match. So, that won't do.
Wind from bullet strikes is wind that will never affect bullet flight.
Wind on your face is more important that anything you are going to see down range, but it is only one reading of course.
Brent
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Re: Wind Probes
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In offhand schuetzen, which is all I do, when I hold for the wind there's an irritating tendency for the shot to go where I was holding. So at most all I do is sight in with the wind and watch for changes. The most I do with any wind indication is make a shoot/don't shoot decision. Some of the oldtimers I shot with watched the grass on the backstop behind the target. I think that's too far downrange, but it keeps your attention in the vicinity of the target. The most valuable information I get is where did the last shot go compared to where the sights were pointed when I let it off.
It also does not make any sense to try to hold a few rings over for the wind when you can't hold inside the 20 ring to begin with. Far better to concentrate on improving your hold rather than worrying much about the wind.
Chris
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The wind can be important, sometimes very important. But IMO the most important component of the wind is its force & direction at the rifle's muzzle at the time of the shot. IOW it's much like Brent said, it's the feel of the wind on your face that's the best wind indicator.
"Chasing your (single) spotter" is one of the classic errors of even experienced shooters. Far better IMO to concentrate on calling your shots and adjusting only after more than one seem to go in the same direction. A friend of mine, a nationally-known and -ranked BPCRS shooter who shall remain nameless, coulda/woulda/shoulda made Master Class a long time before he actually did, except that he insisted on chasing his spotter.
JMOFWIW, good luck, Joe
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Re: Wind Probes
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Theres a big difference in offhand and bench!!!
Everyone know wind does not effect offhand shots!!!
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Re: Wind Probes
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From the bench I prefer to just watch Borton's assortment of flags and probes and shoot when he does!
That's the technique I hope to employ next week @ E-G.
Froggie
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Re: Wind Probes
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My first few visits to EG I didn't have a clue about wind skills, much less the condition monitoring equipment, or much of everything else come to think of it. However I quickly realized that there was a definant ebb and flow to the shooting. There would be moments during a relay when there was very little shooting and a few minutes later it would be a veritable fusillade. not knowing any better I simply shot when everyone else was shooting and held my fire when there were few if any guns going off. Meaning of course DURING the relays
Since then I've developed a respectful appreciation for the wind and mirage conditions. I've built or bought various flags, stands. wind probe, stakes to anchor them, a little laser to align them properly, and a whole seperate box to haul them in. Now I'm working on learning how to use them.
Oddly enough I was looking back through an old notebook of fired targets and I found the best Schoyen centerfire I've ever done---and it was that first season when I was shooting "by concensus". However it was with a 45-70 and 500 grain bullets so wind may have been a little bit less of a factor.
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