To help judge what an excellent score is, following is a list of the Kings of the Central Sharpshooters Union.  These were all shot offhand, 10 shots on the 3/4 inch German Ring target at 200 yards. No re-entry, no time limit.

Year            King      Score
1897            J.D. Regennitter      225
1899            G E Schmidt      218
1901            F Steinbel      218
1903            J E Schmidt      217
1905            J M Schmidt      219
1907            E D Ekstedt      214
1909            Emil Berg      226
1911            A G Bitterly      230
1913            C T Westergaard      226
1915            S.A. Schindler      224
1917            Wm. Muhl      225
1919            C. T. Westergaard      226
1921            Albert Schlatter      227
1923            F Senn      228
1925            A Hubalek      231
1927            C. T. Westergaard      222
1929            A Hubalek, Sr      226

Ahhhhhhhhh, yes!

At 200 - 6"= 22 and 12= 18 ring - I can translate that to my 25 yard group!  (YEEECH )

Goals are important - since Christmas I've lost 25 lbs and lowerd blood pressure from 135/84 to 110/70.  Did not happen without goals AND using EXCEL to chart progress (that keeps it real-life and allows one to look at the trend).

Can I shoot 3 moa off-hand?  Not now, not this year.  But now we've defined it.

It's good to see a variety as well.  Thanks!

Cat 

Good advice all. Not much to add but,

On Scores. Harry Pope said it's the absense of bad shots more than good ones that makes a score. He is sure right about that.  Years ago when shooting HP Silouette one of the better shooters told me most people could improve there scores considerably by not making mistakes.  A mistake would be a pulled shot x fire etc.

As far as scores.  220 is a very good mark for the 10 shot match. In the Hudson which is harder due to the number of shots 2000 sort of seperates the "men from the boys"  2200 in a Hundson would be a very good. score. 

After a lay off in cold weather I praticed last week. Have the target in front of me now. 50 shots 50 Yrds on the ASSRA targer .22 rimfire . I shot 25 on each bull at a fairly fast pace to work the kinks out. At that range there are no conditons to make any real difference.  Black or to the 18 ring is 3 inches or 6 moa.

First target 5 outside the black. 2nd target 6 outside the black but 2 of the 6 just outside the scoring rings which is a 10 under ASSRA rules.  Had I not pulled those shots, All 11 that is ,total score would have been probably 50 plus points higher or 100 plus points on a Hundson match.   

Streach it to a match and absense of error would have made the difference between also ran and a contender.  Look at it another way 6 moa will deliver a very good score if there is nothing outside 6 moa.  4 or 5 moa is no doubt better but even if the majority of shots land in 4 or 5 errors will ruin any chance of placing in most offhand matches.

Avoiding errors is all mental. you don't have to pull the trigger on a off shot. You do need to pull the trigger on all good shots.   

Boats

Last from me I promise

On my pratice target. Left bull fired first after a dozen or so shots on a sighter target. Nicely centered up.

I shot the Pratice-Record targets fast, Skeet shooting pace, and did not adjust sights during the string
 
2nd bull with 25 shots, Looking at it now a definate bias toward left. Measured using methods above, center of impact for 19 shots 1 moa left.   

Obviously I missed the let up.  If I moved all the holes in my 2nd target right 1 moa it would have improved scores, perhaps a point each.  Still the signifant error was the off shots outside the rings. 

Thats all Going fishing,

Boats

joeb33050 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2007 at 11:28am:


That's true of anything from Olympic class swimming, to professional cycling, basketball, or even statistics.  Some folks got it, some never will.

Brent

I find that I also have to adjust the sights when going from benchrest to offhand.  I think it is the way the rifle recoils differently from being on the bags in benchrest to being held when shooting offhand.  I am sure the difference in sight sdjustment varies from person to person also.
At 50 feet I find virtually no difference and at 200 yards it may be 4 or 5 clicks depending on which rifle I am shooting.

What Boats said, and plenty of it.
Regards, Joe

Chris,
When I shoot off the forearm from the bench, the gun will shoot the same with offhand.  But if I shoot off a muzzle sled, then it tends so shoot low offhand - sometimes about 4 clicks worth.  Not all of my rifles are like this but most are.

Brent