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DonH
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Reply #15 - Mar 31st, 2007 at 9:07am
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I had determined to "waste" no more time in further participation in this discussion but I got reading and thinking and now my bloods up.
I have people say to me frequently, "tell us how you really feel!" Well, I try to do excactly that! I'm quite a bit like Mr. Borton in that respect. I'm eiather going to keep quiet or I am going to say what I believe. I may say it more diplomatically at times but I'm not going to equivocate.
So, here it is. I joined the ASSRA because I like the shooting, the rifles and most of all the people. In general, I have found the people to be the kind I want to associate with and more than that, the kind I'm proud to have my impressionable grandson rub shoulders with. Having said that, if I thought some of the things said here on this topic were the official position of the ASSRA or even of the majority of leadership I would mail my card back and ask for a refund of dues in half a heartbeat! 
In the matter of firearms ownership, genltemen, we must hang together or we most assuredly will hang separately.  I see no gray area here. You are with us or you are against us! This right is so fundamental to power resting in the people it was viewed as more important than even our precious freedom of speech. Of course each person DOES have a right to his/her own opinion. The consequences of that may not be so palatable. In a real world of having at times to compromise to get things done where sometimes the "enemy of my enemy is my friend", a friend of my enemy is my .....?
Failure to set aside minor differences and focus on the long term and the big picture will only doom us. I fear we may be too far gone already - we may have no more than 3 to 5 years left of life as we have known it. Think, think, think before you let the twist in your knickers to cause you to act on impulse and throw the bums out whether it be the NRA or the Congress! There are bigger things at stake than the state of your knickers!
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 31st, 2007 at 11:29am
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I'm running 14 matches at my club this year... And helping out another guy run 4 others and a sanctioned League.
I'm planning two Smallbore Prone clinics for later in the summer.
Editor of my clubs newsletter, distributing free copies to every gun shop within 60 miles.

I'm also a classified competitior in 4 different NRA sanctioned sports.

I dont' bitch without having put in MY 110% FIRST. So hopefully I have some legitiimate standing in your eyes to criticize when my club pays out $400 a year in NRA Match fees, and I have to wait another YEAR until NRA gets around to printing more rulebooks.... 

Paul F.

PS, lest you think I'm not a supporter of the NRA despite my criticisms, I'm also a life member and donate every year.

  
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J.C.PEELE
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Reply #17 - Mar 31st, 2007 at 11:45am
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Your punctuation is good too.
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2007 at 2:50pm
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I am VERY MUCH in favor of adding a Political Column to our beloved Forum.

Gentlemen, to "kind of " quote Ben Franklin, "If we don't hang together, we shall surely hang separately."

It is easy to be critical of the NRA. If it wasn't for the NRA and our support for the NRA, we would have no guns at all (I have talked to a number of "former" shooters of Great Britain and to a man they mentioned that if they had had a strong NRA like OURS, they would still have gun rights).

Even the Democrats mentioned in the last Presidential Election that the NRA was a main reason that they lost the election. This is not to say that all Democrats are bad (in my own state of Ohio, we elected a PRO-GUN Democratic Governor in the last election - he has already "stepped up to the plate") but the Democrats, in general, have been on record for years as anti-gun in just about every way.

So, regardless of your politics it is absolutely necessary to support the NRA.

One last word, adding a political column to this Forum can help all of us "get the word out" when needed.

Dale53
  
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J.D.Steele
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Reply #19 - Mar 31st, 2007 at 8:20pm
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40_Rod wrote on Mar 25th, 2007 at 9:01am:
The NRA has become the National Lawyers and Lobbyist Association. Competitave shooting has become an after thought for them. 40 Rod


If it wasn't for the Lawyers and Lobbyists, competitive shooting would have long since become an afterthought for all of us. Think about it, please!
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Reply #20 - Mar 31st, 2007 at 10:50pm
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It seems there is always this underling thread In all these discussions about"gun rights", and that is the government has some right? That the Constitutions (Federal, State) protects these rights. NOTHING could be further from the truth that these beliefs. A free people do not derive freedom from government or from a piece of paper. The rights we have come from a higher authority, these people want to capture your minds and have you believe that government makes laws for the people. Again, NOTHING could be further from the truth. Government can only write law for government. What power government has, can only be exercised within federal territory, and over those subject to it laws. Do you believe that when you vote, you vote for someone to rule over you? If you do, do you still call yourself free? We are the product of a vary poor government ran education system! We need to start thinking about many of the things we go about blindly talking about. It's are beliefs that bind us down. Wake-up before your beliefs, bind you down and shackel you.
  
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Reply #21 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 3:22pm
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I am a new member but an old shooter who remembers the old NRA, it has changed but then so has our political sceanery in this country. I live in california, we jokingly call it the Peoples Socialist Republic of Californiia for a reason, the Dems run thsi with all the Libersl in charge. They want to protect us from ourselfs and each other. I went to purchase lead the other day and was told no, we pulled it off the shelfs years ago- this was a major hardware store. I ended up getting some at a scrap yard for $0.45LBS. This is the attitude here. Even if it is not the law, once it is spoken of it must be the truth and they all bend to it.
Last week I took a trip up to where I had prospected for gold for years only to find out that the Burae of Land Mismanagement had used a foam substance to block the old tunnels to keep us out. I pulled out over five ounces three years ago from this site.
Do us all a favour and check things out or the rest of out USA will end up going our states route. And you do not want that.
Mike W
  
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Re: Forums banding together
Reply #22 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 4:02pm
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I am all in favor of a Political Action oriented  forum incorporated in the site.  Several other web-based forums I participate in have done that---admittedly to keep hot and heavy political opinions out of the main activity areas.

While I too have some "issues" with the top-heavy beaurocracy of the NRA thay ARE the primary lobby that protects all of our various firearms interests.   Maybe another internal reform is needed, but that would be a topic for discussion in such a section.  In today's internet informed world It should be easier than it was in the days of the "Knox revolution".  I believe that some of the initial "negative responses" were more a reaction to the rather vague and open ended initial proposal coupled with a gut level reaction, that seems very common among shooters I know, to the perceived misallocation of NRA efforts.

looking back at the original post this discussion, as many often do, seems to have sideslipped away form the initial topic and become more of a generalized NRA/gun control discussion.
Perhaps if Bret or someone else invovled in this "banding together" project could give us more specific information as to what thay are proposing and how; it would make it easier for all of us to consider our positions and for the ASSRA BOD & Membership to consider it fairly.
  

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Re: Forums banding together
Reply #23 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 7:54pm
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I don`t thank you guys understand what Bret has here!  Huh Our forum does not have to be a member! Shocked It up each of us to decide if we want to be a member of Bret site! You can go on his site and become a member if you wish! Roll Eyes If you don`t want to be a member so be it! Undecided
But our forum does not become a member! Cool And with Brets forum we DO NOT need a Politial Column!  Winkgo there and have at it!!!
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Re: Forums banding together
Reply #24 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 9:27pm
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Thank you Jim, for pointing out the obvious! I didn't see it until I went back and reread the original post.
  

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Reply #25 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 10:38pm
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I may have this all backwards but one of the things I think Bret was looking for was...To somehow get the word out over the forums that there was a particular issue at hand some where that needed to be responded too enmass ???I think Borton is right there are plenty of places to vent ideas and opinions.Most of us don't need preaching to on this score, but few of us are plugged in to what is happening in our state and nation as to what is being snuck in,in various bills,and a swift 
method of notification to the shooters at large is a good idea...Maybe a link like the bullet lube thing or on interesting links,go there if you want or don't....B.A.
  
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J.D.Steele
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Reply #26 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 8:46am
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We must keep in mind that this is NOT an ASSRA forum. It's Mr Borton's forum, and he can do anything he wants with it!

If (as it has seemed to me in several instances now) he wants to let others carry various loads, then so be it. I will continue to direct my contributions to the places I think will do the most good.

IMO this forum and indeed this ASSRA organization would not even exist any longer if it wasn't for the NRA's politics and lobbying, because we would have lost the fight back in the 1970's. A study of the happenings and the Cincinnatti Reforms at the 1977 NRA Convention would prove enlightening for many folks here, it seems.........

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Re: Forums banding together
Reply #27 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 5:32pm
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The best way to guarantee the loss of any right is to ignore the civic responsibility to be involved in the process to protect that right.  There exists in this nation a deplorable lack of interest in presenting our views to those duly elected to represent us.  That is why a VERY vocal minority can acheive extension of rights and entitlements far beyond what is constitutional.  It is far past time for those of us who are weary of ALL of our rights getting trampled and ignored to STAND UP AND BE COUNTED.  I do not shoot cowboy action, trap, skeet, IPSC, IDPA, BPCS, Silhouette; nor do I hunt.  HOWEVER, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO DO SO.  It is imperative to realize that those who push further firearm restrictions have but one goal: the complete disarmament of this nations people.  In this age of rapid transfer of information it is disheartening to relaize how few are really informed of proposed legislation at all levels of government.   

I feel strongly that it is IMMATERIAL whether we have current alerts on this forum.  It is VITAL that those who receive such alerts take the time to ACT ON THE INFORMATION.   

As to falling numbers in competitive shooting, it is incumbent on those who are experienced to ACTIVELY recruit new and YOUNGER beginners.  Failure to do so will absolutely guarantee the death of competitive shooting in all forms.  Instead of saying "Someone ought to DO something!" each of  us MUST do whatever we can.   Having spent 16 seasons running a local club highpower program, 25 years heavily involved in another club's NRA bullseye pistol program and smallbore program, and 27 years as a firearm instructor teaching youth and adults, I MUST ASK: "What are YOU doing?" and challenge all to DO SOMETHING!


  
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