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Crosno / Shaver liners... caliber?
Mar 1st, 2007 at 10:20am
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Hi folks, I have a question about these things.

Why a .22?  I would think, given the long range capabilities of sharps etc. rifles, that one would be better served by a .22 mag, or something like the .17 hmr say, or maybe even a 22 hornet. 
It just seems to me a practice cartriidge with a bit better trajectory / range would serve well.
That being said, any reason you couldn't have a gunsmith ream the chamber on one to .22 mag?

Thanks.
Les
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 1st, 2007 at 3:27pm
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Hey Buzz.  Why .22LR?  Number one, they're cheap to feed.  Number two, don't sell the long-range capability of the lowly .22LR short...Several of us have these inserts (mine is the Crossno version).  I mainly compete in BPCR Silhouette, and I can tell you that the 200m chickens are boringly easy to hit with a .22, as are the 300m pigs.  The 385m turkeys are a bit more of a challenge, but on a calm evening can be hit with amazing regularity.

As for reaming one to .22 Magnum, I'd recommend checking with the respective manufacturer.  After all, they're just made from .22LR barrel liners.

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Reply #2 - Mar 1st, 2007 at 6:00pm
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First shirt, thanks. (E8 I presume?)

After thinking on it, I relised that for practice, you'd maybe want some "rainbow" - after all, figuring that is the name of the game.
I did see on Buffalo Arms website they have one for .17 Mach2.

I'll take your word on it though - 22 rf it is. Just learning about my new C. Sharps 45/70 1875 sporting - figured anything that will let me practice more is good. Side benefit is my neighbors don't mind a .22 going off, but I think even with as much room as I have here, I'd catch H#ll cutting loose with 45/70 loads on a Sunday morning.
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Reply #3 - Mar 1st, 2007 at 8:14pm
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Les,

Go with the Crossno, you won't be disappointed in it's accuracy.  Mine will do 1" to 1 1/2" groups at 100 yds with several brands of ammunition.  Some of the really cheap stuff shoots pretty darn well, which is nice.

>>>(E8 I presume?) <<< Guilty as charged...retired 1SG, Army type, one each.

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Re: Crosno / Shaver liners... caliber?
Reply #4 - Mar 1st, 2007 at 8:46pm
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Actualy .22 rimfire trajectory and wind senstiivity is about like a 45/70 scaled down.  If you shoot the .22 LR at 100 yards it relates very well to shooting larger cartridges at longer ranges. Could be about 4 to 1 ?

On the other rimfire cartridges, I can't say about the .17 but all the others are marginal accucary wise. While the .22 LR is very accurate.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 1st, 2007 at 8:48pm
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Should make for some raised eyebrows when I haul it out to shoot crows with my friends   Shocked
Multi-use gun.  Might be I made a better (practical) purchase than I thought - I always kind of liked Sharps rifles, and just happened to be in the shop when the original owner came in with it. He got "Quiglyfied" and ordered it, then never shot it. Upgraded wood, long range sights and the works. Grabbed it on the spot for a very good price. It's going to Africa with me in September also. 
Do you find the converters are as picky when it comes to ammo as "normal" .22's?

(USMC here, med retired E-7 after 16)
  
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Re: Crosno / Shaver liners... caliber?
Reply #6 - Mar 2nd, 2007 at 7:49am
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Buz.

Re picky .22 ammo

Few people will agree with me but here is my advice. If you want to see what that converter will do buy a couple of boxes of the best match ammo. I use Ely but the others are just as good. Shoot 10 shot groups in perfect conditons at 100 yards. Shoot up all the match ammo because the rest/hold/aming errors will excede the rifle/ammo errors. It may take a while to get things settled to the point you can find out what the rifle/liners potential is. It should be 1 moa, better is rare but possable.

Then go to Wal-Mart to find the Holy Grail, Cheap 22's that work as good. Once you shoot a 3 shot group in one hole at 50 yards with the cheap stuff post the results and tell everyone about it.

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Reply #7 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 3:58pm
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Thanks Boats, will give the ely's a go, in fact, I've got some around here somewhere...

While I'm waiting for the liner, Question:  is there some sort of difficulty / problem with extracting the .22's? I seem to remember someone saying you need to pry them out with a screwdriver or something.
  
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Re: Crosno / Shaver liners... caliber?
Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 4:53pm
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The Crossno liner comes with a small screwdriver that you use to flick out the empties.  The Shaver version has a sort of detachable chamber/shell holder that you extract and reload each time, I believe.  I have the Crossno liner and like it quite well.  Haven't done any real serious testing, but so far it seems plenty accurate.

From what I have heard, these liners were developed primarily to allow for low cost practice for BPCR Silhouette using the big guns.  The trajectory of the .22 RF over 200 meters is very similar to the .45-70 class over 500.

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Reply #9 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 10:43pm
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Buzz:  Go with the Crossno .22 liner.. They shoot great, but just be sure to shoot it enough till it takes a set in your rifle.  As you get to this point, the rifle will continually improve as to groups.  Then pick the ammo that seems to work best.  I have found the Winchester Dynapoints pretty darn good from K-Mart....
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 1:15am
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I just ordered one of the Crossno inserts for my 40-65 today. Is there anything i need to know about using it? Is it easy to install and remove?
cleaning?

   Michael
  
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Re: Crosno / Shaver liners... caliber?
Reply #11 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 8:11am
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Michael,

Your Crossno liner will come with instructions.  You will need to lightly lube it, and the rotational position (think clock face) may affect the point of impact.  By experimenting with it you should be able to center the POI without much windage adjustment.  You will also find that when you insert the liner, as you push it in it will rotate with the rifling, so you need to take that into account to make it end up where you want.  It is easy to install and remove, easier than it sounds telling about it.  You don't need to worry about headspace, as the chamber end of the liner is fixed in a .45-70 case, so it just seats on the case rim.  You just push it out with a plastic rod from the muzzle.

Also, read what iowa wrote.

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