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Dec 28th, 2006 at 12:17am
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I converted a small closet in a back room,(7' X 2') into a gun closet with a keyless entry system, mainly to keep the kids (and their friends) out.  Its on an outside wall, and the temperature is always a little hotter or colder than the indoor temperature in the rest of the house.   I put one of those de-humifiying warming sticks in it, but dont know if its doing any good. a friend of mine also converted a closet into a gun closet but he put two air vents in the door, one at the top and one at the bottom.  are there any guidelines as to what I should do in terms of temperature and humidity control, etc, to make sure I dont have rust problems? Thanks! Joe S
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 28th, 2006 at 4:31pm
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Those little rods do nothing for the humidity. They only create a small air current (Hotter air rises) and keep the area warmer than the surrounding enviroment to ward off condensing moisture on the contents. I think some type of dessicant would be useful to absorb some of the moisture. Buy a temp/humidity gage from Radio Shack and mount it in the enclosure and monitor the humidity. I think most of the safe manufactures say keep the humidity around 40 or less.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 28th, 2006 at 5:09pm
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MI shooter is right,  get a Hydromoter and check the ambient humidity at different times, Heat on A/C on etc. It will probably vary considerably.  If it's far off you nurmal home humidity simple ventalation may cure the problem. Circulation is a real deterent to rust.

If you are getting some rust a good dodge is to rub the rifles down with paste wax. Plan old floor wax.  Does no harm is not obvious on the gun but protetcts from moisture real well. Lots of museums do this to there collections.

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Reply #3 - Dec 31st, 2006 at 11:36am
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Thanks everyone for your help. I am installing vents in the door to promote air circulation, but there is no duct work close to this closet,so I was wondering if it is a good idea to put a small battery powered fan in the door vent to promote air circulation? If so, does anyone know of a source for such a fan? Thanks! Joe S

 
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 31st, 2006 at 5:38pm
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I'd stay clear of dessicants. Remember, they attract moisture, so even if there's moisture outside the closet, the dessicants will attract it. Unless you change the container of dessicant daily, it will simply sit in the closet as a bowl full of water. I went through this, and actually found my bowl was so full when I checked it after a week that it was overflowing!
Whatever you do, I wouldn't ignore them for long. You can start by checkeing them every week or two, and once you've had them in there for a few months, you'll get an idea of how they're doing, and how often to check.
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 31st, 2006 at 6:52pm
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I would take a look at either running a small dehumidifier in the closet or going with a vapor phase inhibitor system in it.  The downside to the dehumidifier is that you'll have to empty the tank every day to two unless you can plumb a line to a floor drain.  The emitters prevent oxidation, but you'll need a couple of big ones for a 7"x2" area.  Check out (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) for this type of stuff.

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Reply #6 - Dec 31st, 2006 at 11:20pm
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I have had a small Goldenrod in my gun safe for over 10 years with no rust yet, in one of the USA's most humid areas. Admittedly my safe is inside my air-conditioned home, but still..........

I also have a 2.5'x4'x1' drying cabinet in my shop, for freshly-finished gunstocks, with a small incandescent light bulb in the bottom. I can assure you from personal experience that a 75-watt bulb WILL dry out a gunstock, in fact it'll dry it out so much that the wood shrinks noticeably! I dropped back to a 40-watt & things got better, turned out that a 25-watt was just about right for this small volume of space. I also keep other steel items in the drying cabinet with no sign of any oxidation.

IMO the simplest and most foolproof method of rust prevention in your situation would be to install a 75- or 100-watt incandescent bulb in the bottom of your closet and burn it 24/7/365. The rising heat will cause the air to circulate and also dry it out to a great degree, and I'd be totally amazed if you ever had any rust at all unless the contents hadn't been properly wiped down before storing.
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Reply #7 - Jan 1st, 2007 at 1:50am
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In a closet, I would opt for a Golden Rod or two.  They can't break like a light bulb, and they seldom ever burn out.  I would still suggest a vapor unit like the Bullfrog along with either a Golden Rod or conventional dehumidifier...our local Commissar of Electricity occasionally fails to feed the hamsters during storms, and the humidity raises very quickly when the ac and dehumidifier go out!

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Reply #8 - Jan 24th, 2007 at 10:10pm
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Thanks everyone for your help. I went to the hardware store and bought two identical temp and humidity guages, put one in the closet and one outside the closet. Initial readings inside were:temp 54deg, Humidity 40, outside readings= temp 65deg, humidity 37. Then I started running a 75 watt lightbulb in the closet, result in the closet = Temp 62deg, humidity 37, outside=64 deg, humidity 35.  We have not been running out humidifier but we are running it now, so I will see how those readings change. However, I am wondering if I am OK with these readings, and am starting to get concerned about cracking the wooding gunstocks.  Any ideas? Thanks, Joe S
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 25th, 2007 at 2:22pm
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Hello Joe. Good question and good replies.   Smiley
I spent several years in the Panama Canal Zone and did a lot of shooting while there. We kept our firearms in a vault that was wired and we used heating element bulbs that the Govt. provided. They did a great job. We also kept most of our clothing in a similar "dry closet".
For extra protection I used R.I.G. Rust Inhibiting Grease on all my firearms. I was sent to Venezuela for a period of time and was not able to check on my firearms as I usually did. Upon return I had expected some problems. Nada, not one problem with rust.
I still use RIG and have not found anything better for my use. I know there are many other product out there but RIG works for me.
I have a similar vault in my home that you describe in yours. Some firearms are stored in a safe that is in thenroom and some just in the room. It is on a outside wall also.  I have had no problems with rust of any kind.
The light bulb idea (25w) sounds good but if the bulb burns out and you don't check for a while ----.!
  I strongly recommend RIG.
  What ever you do, enjoy them and keep shooting.  4227  Cheesy
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 25th, 2007 at 8:03pm
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Humidity of around 40% is considered perfect for most storage, and that is where most commercial HVAC units are set to for optimum environment without static from being too dry, nor dampness from too moist. I don't think you'll dry out any wood if the humidity stays around 35-40%.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 26th, 2007 at 10:12pm
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I would be concerned about the light bulb heating anything in close proximity.  Remember those little toy ovens for little girls to play house with?  They could bake a cup cake with a 60 watt bulb.  Something to think about.
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Reply #12 - Jan 26th, 2007 at 10:17pm
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Aside from controlling the moisture level what else has anyone done to a gun closet? I was wondering about fixing one up. Would adding extra sheetrock be a good idea? With a proper door would added sheetrock help as far as fire protection?

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Reply #13 - Jan 27th, 2007 at 9:38am
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yes - added sheetrock (drywall) will add to the fire protection - that is how the gun safe manufactures give their safes added fire protection.
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Reply #14 - Jan 27th, 2007 at 5:43pm
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In addition to added sheetrock, you can also buy a fire rated door which is steel with a poured sheetrock like filler. The combination of the two will make it very fire retardant.
I installed a single sprinkler head in my gun room, with a wire basket on it to keep it from being hit by long barrels. Just another layer of protection for my guns.
  
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