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Sharps1874
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Dec 18th, 2006 at 2:23pm
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I’m sure that I’m not alone, and that others would like to know how to read mirages when were out on the range or on a hunt. I know that this is not something new, yet it’s an old topic and concern. 

I did search to find other postings on this topic; I found postings that had one or more of the words, yet no topic specific on Reading Mirages. I know that It’s an issue that we all have experienced.

I’ve also done my research on the internet on Reading Mirages. Not much good stuff out there. I’m sure there are books on the topic, yet trying to find one that is actually worth buying and reading is another story. That would be a story I would like to read. Any suggestions on one or two quality books. I’m not looking at creating some kind of a library on this topic. Just keeping it small.   


Whether it’s looking through your spotting scope, or with your open sights trying to read the ripples from the heat mirages. I know that there has been plenty of research in this area. Making it possible for the shooter to read the mirage and determine thinks like wind conditions, and I’m not sure what else.  I’m sure that in understanding these conditions and knowing how to read them should improve a shooters accuracy. How do you determine where on the range the mirage is occurring? Does it matter if it is occurring near your target or if it’s somewhere between you and your target? 

I’m sure we have many experts here that could lend their thoughts on Reading Mirages. I’m sure I’m not the only one that would like to know.   
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 2:51pm
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I sure don't know how to read mirage.  However, I have been considering doing some research on the issue so your note prompted me to start by typing these three words into google: reading mirage shooting

There are lots of hits that look pretty useful, so I'll have to read them this evening.

Some of the questions I have are - what does mirage tell you that a series of windflags can't?  

Isn't most of the mirage down at the target pretty inconsequential - just like wind flags, so shouldn't you ignore it?  

How do measure and prorate mirage at different distances in a practical fashion?  Yes, I know you can fiddle around with the focus on your spotting scope but that is time consuming when conditions are constantly changing.

Mirage from heat off my barrel is the one thing that really gives me fits in some fast-firing competitions.  I have no idea how to work with that at all.  In my opinion, that is the mirage that is really important to follow.

Looking forward to an interesting discussion.  

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Reply #2 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 3:17pm
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Brent,

     Wow, you did better then I had done. Instead of putting “Reading Mirage Shooting”, I had tried “shooting reading mirage” and “reading mirage”. I like your choice as well. I am also going to check out the same results from the search you used, thanks. 

     All of what you have mentioned are the things that I am also interested in learning about. I have a friend that has done allot of research on the topic, yet he has yet to get back to me on the one book he found to be the best. Perhaps between the two of us and others that join in, we can find the information and share it. Thanks for the input. 
 

  
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Reply #3 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 3:28pm
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Almost all of what I know about using mirage to read the wind comes from others.
I have used it in Highpower at 600 yards, but as my local range is 100/200 yds, I have only seldom had the opportunity to practice this skill at "full distance" matches.

I also have some second hand information from what I consider a "reliable source".

One of our club members (who actually lives in another state, but that's a long story), is a smallbore and 300 Meter competitor, and she done us proud a few months ago at the World Shooting Championships in Zagreb, Croatia as a member of the US Womens Team that brought home the Gold medal in one team event (either smallbore or 300 meter, I don't recall which).

This young lady is a terrific shooter!
At one point in Croatia, the US Womens team was sitting in the spectator stands with their spotting scopes and notebooks, watching the Mens teams fire the 300 meter event.   
Now, almost no European shooters use spotting scopes, since most european ranges have electronic scoring (you don't need to see your shot holes at 300 meters).
The US shooters DO, since most of US do not have such fancy electronic scoring at our ranges.

Our US team was watching the conditions through their scopes... watching the mirage caused by the breeze, by focusing their spotting scopes short of the target.
They were practicing watching wind/mirage, and seeing how it affected the shooters shots.

At one point, the mirage started to shift... radically...
THE WIND FLAGS ON THE RANGE STAYED CONSTANT for 10-15-20 seconds..
In that time, several shooters took their shots. And those shots were EXACTLY where our US womens team predicted based on the mirage!
FLAG LIE! Or rather, they do not keep up with wind changes as fast as the mirage.. they lag behind changing conditions.

The US team all looked at each other, and immediately compared the notes they were taking.  ALL of our team "saw" the change, and NONE of the firing shooters did until it was too late.

Our Team USA went on to medal, and ALL of our team members were in the top 15 IN THE WORLD in the Individual standings.  These ladies are not so much "shooters" as they are Jedi Knights...using the Force to guide their bullets.  (you're probably getting the idea that I'm very impressed with the world class level of skill they have...).

I have heard, from Highpower AND Smallbore shooters far FAR better than I am likely to ever be, the very same thing... Mirage is more accurate than flags.  It reacts faster, and you can see direction changes more accurately. 

I have also read that it is very difficult to put into words WHAT you are seeing in the mirage that clues you in... the best way to learn is to have a spotting scope and sit behind a really good shooter while HE fires, and observe the mirage and its effect.

I am only starting to get a handle on what "one ring's worth" of wind looks like in my Smallbore Prone shooting... I haven't even bothered to try yet with my Schuetzen shooting... I have a lot of "hold and squeeze" issues to sort out first.

Hope this helps!
Paul F.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 5:03pm
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Sharps1874,

I'm not an expert on mirage but I've seen enough of it shooting at silhouettes that I can offer some observations.

Mirage is caused by water vapor in the air and just like water, it refracts light.  I wear bifocals and when spotting for a shooter I'm able to tip my eyes upward and look through the bottom lens and see any mirage in my spotting scope because the scope lens has a long eye relief.

When mirage is moving from left to right, (it appears to be bending with the top of the mirage farther to the right than the bottom of the mirage) the target will actually be slightly to the left of where you see it.  How far to the left depends on how violently the mirage is moving.  Slight movement will have little change of the target location; hard movement can be enough to cause a miss if not compensated for with the sights.  Suffice to say that if the mirage is moving hard from left to right, hold slightly left of where you see the target.  If the mirage shifts and moves from right to left, then you will want to hold slightly right of the target.  Of course the mirage you have when zeroing your sight is also important.  If you hold dead on for one condition, you only have to hold slightly off the target when the other condition rears its ugly head.  If there was no mirage when you sighted-in, you may wind up going back and forth most of the day.

The one condition you don't want to shoot into (if possible) is a boiling mirage.  That is when the mirage appears to be steam boiling up from a pot.  It is straight upward and wavy.  Logic says that you should aim a little higher but it often doesn't work.  Many of the shooters I know refuse to take the shot in a boil.

I don't believe the distance of the mirage from the firing line is of any consequence.  You are seeing it wherever it is and its effect on your vision of the target is the same.

Brent,

One method I have used to control mirage from the barrel with iron sights is to place black masking tape along the top of my barrel.  It is easily removable yet it has a pebbled surface that tends to break up the mirage rising from the barrel.

I'm sure more knowledgeable shooters will offer additional advice and I'm curious to know what other shooters think as well.

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Reply #5 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 5:12pm
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A very useful little book: Reading the Wind and Coaching Techniques by Jim Owens, USMC.
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Darn ya all Sharps, I'm just getting a handle on wind vectors and ya have to throw in the effect of them squigley lines in my spotting scope - mirage! Wink

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I'll wait till next Summer to work on Mirage at the range, but I'll tell you a true one:  3 years ago, was testing a new recipe.  Had 5 rounds left after shooting @ 100.  Went over to the 600yd range, looked in the reference book and 153" looked close to raise the vernier.  Fired 5 quick shots with mirage so bad coudn't see past 300 in the spotting scope.

Drove down to the target ... 5 holes in the 7 ring.  Three were a clover (2.25"), the other 2 were respectively 3" to the left and 4" to the right of the clover.  A 2.5" x 7" group, I had a witness and have never been able to duplicate that group!  Angry
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 10:38pm
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         One of the things I rarely see at a Schuetzen match is a mirage board on the target boards.  If I wanted to get serious about bench rest shooting I think I would have one made up for Etna Green.
     The board consists of a board painted with about 2 inch horizontal black and white stripes.  It makes the mirage more easily visible in you scope
     At the hunter rifle matches at the Van Dyne Sportsmen’s club every target has a mirage board next to it.  They all pay attention to the wind flags and I believe most of them also use the mirage boards.  At least I did when I was shooting hunter rifle.   
      
  

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Reply #8 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 6:04am
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Paul_F,

     I’m like you that in the begging learning about reading a mirage, wind and other conditions starts with the people that you shoot with. Yet later you can learn more from a few good books that concentrate on the topics, and yes from forums. 

     I know how hard it has been over the years with my hunting rifles trying to shoot a nice buck when I had to have my riflescope kicked up. The mirage made it harder to judge the shot, and a bit difficult to get a good picture of the buck. However, while shooting open sights…you don’t have the advantage to see the mirage as clearly. Those Soule sights just don’t show the mirage magnified. On a hunt you don’t always have the time to look through and make the adjustment. And during competition, you don’t always have a spotter that can do that for you. 

     You mentioned that when you have used it in High-power at 600 yards, you’ve experienced it, at what magnification are you using at 600 yards? 

     I must say, that I’m learning more about things that I’ve taken for granted in the past, until I started shooting my Sharps with the Soule sights. If you cannot depend on the flags as you can on the mirage on real time wind directions, I guess all the wind flags can actually do is show a delayed direction and if the wind has had drastic velocity changes, that’s just a guess on my part. 

     I would agree at this time, that it is very difficult to put into words what you are seeing in the mirage that clues you in... the best way to learn is to have a spotting scope and sit behind a really good shooter while the shooter fires, and observe the mirage and its effect. 
 
     I have over 37 years of shooting rifles and shotguns, yes just over a year of shooting my Sharps 45-70, that’s a whole different thing to learn to shoot. Some carry over, yet with the low MVs, it’s a whole different ball of wax. 


feather, 

     I am right there with you as not being an expert in the area, more like a beginner/novice in this area. Yet I’m will to listen, to read and to learn and improve my knowledge and skill in my shooting. I hear that a shooting events like the Quigley and the BPCR Silhouette shoots reading the mirage can go a long ways on how well you shoot. 

     In most cased I would agree that a mirage is often caused by water vapor, yet that is not always true. I would agree that as it pertains to shooting on a range or out during a hunt this is true. The mirage you see while driving on asphalt is not necessarily from water. The resign in that is in the asphalt produces that mirage on a hot day. I’ve worked many years with asphalt and I know this for a fact. So road mirage in most conditions is created from something other then water. 

     That was interesting on how you have been able to use your bifocals when spotting. 

     A mirage can be a real pain in the butt, when it changes after you have already sighted in your rifle. That can be a real headache. Your explanation is simple enough on reading it. it now takes time to practice this before one can get good at it. 

     I agree that a boiling mirage is a hard one to adjust to. I have not taken it into my shooting yet on how to adjust to it. During competition when you’re on a clock to shoot, you don’t have the luxury to wait until the boil is gone. That would be the time you take your best-calculated guess. 
 
         You stated that you did not believe that the distance of the mirage from the firing line is of any consequence. It would make sence that a mirage is much like the wind, you have several laver of it from the ground up, and it changes per the terrain and can very between the shooter and the target depending on the ground surface and much more the farther your target. I could be completely wrong in this area, yet I don’t think that I am.  


feather,

     interesting use of black masking tape to overcompensation for the mirage created from barrel heat. 
 
Joe,

     A good friend of mine has also recommended  Reading the Wind and Coaching Techniques by Jim Owens, USMC. He said it was the one book that beat all in this area. I have it on my families suggestion list for a Christmas list or my birthday gift in January. 



Mes,

     I’ve never seen of or heard of a mirage board. How far are they shooting at Etna Green? 

  
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Reply #9 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 8:26am
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I never had much sucess reading Mirage at shorter distances. The smallbore prone I shot was the "English" match which is entirely at 50 meters.  In Schuetzen at 200 yards I need my spotting scope focused on the target in order to spot so backing it off and on would be a fair amount of trouble.

Years ago when I shot Service rifle we used to focus the spotting scope on the target number board and back off until the mirage was real obvious. Of course the range had pits and pulled targets. No need to spot your shot with the scope since the hole is marked.  Also in Service rifle personal wind flags are not allowed on the range. 

I have never seen anyone use Mirage in a Schuetzen match. Not to say it would not be usefull but everyone I see relys on wind flags.

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Reply #10 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 11:55am
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Sharps 1874
Hunter rifle at Van Dyne is shot at 100 yards and 200 yards, mirage boards between every target.
Etna Green is shot at 200 yards for the centerfire matches and 100 yards for the rimfire only matches.  I have never seen a mirage board at Etna Green, but maybe I was not looking hard enough.
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Reply #11 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 12:59pm
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     In most cased I would agree that a mirage is often caused by water vapor, yet that is not always true. I would agree that as it pertains to shooting on a range or out during a hunt this is true. The mirage you see while driving on asphalt is not necessarily from water. The resign in that is in the asphalt produces that mirage on a hot day. I’ve worked many years with asphalt and I know this for a fact. So road mirage in most conditions is created from something other then water. 

Yes, it's the warm vapor gases that are rising. Could be water or could be any other vapor.

 
         You stated that you did not believe that the distance of the mirage from the firing line is of any consequence. It would make sence that a mirage is much like the wind, you have several laver of it from the ground up, and it changes per the terrain and can very between the shooter and the target depending on the ground surface and much more the farther your target. I could be completely wrong in this area, yet I don’t think that I am.  


I agree, distance is a big factor. Just focus your lens at the varying distances and see the differences for yourself. IMO the mirage is a function of the conditions at the particular range at which at appears.

feather,

     interesting use of black masking tape to overcompensation for the mirage created from barrel heat. 

First saw this trick back in the '60s, it works fairly well when the bbl really heats up. 




My opinions are worth exactly what you paid, but they are based upon many years of shooting as well as looking through surveying instruments of 20-30 power and at varying ranges and conditions. I put myself thru college working as a land and route surveyor, plus many years of on-&-off surveying at work & for friends. IMO you ain't even SEEN REAL mirage 'til you've had the instrument set up in the middle of a 500-acre bean field in the MS Delta in Aug. An even more impressive sight is looking thru the instrument along a freshly-paved asphalt road, the temps are even higher than the bean field & the image moves an unbelievable amount!
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Reply #12 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 1:17pm
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For me, the thing about mirage is not so much the fact that it indicates what the wind is doing, but rather the fact that it does tend to move the target to an apparent location, which at LR can cause you to completely miss when aiming at the target!  That stuff really can throw me in utter confusion... Huh
  
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     You mentioned that when you have used it in High-power at 600 yards, you’ve experienced it, at what magnification are you using at 600 yards? 



Zero.. All iron sights in Highpower (well, in most of the sport... ).

The trick in HIghpower and Smallbore Prone (iron sight events) is to have your spotting scope up close to you, and be watching the mirage while you load and start getting in position... then when you're there, take a look, make a sight correction, get your face on the rifle, and you're only <5-6 seconds from breaking the shot, when hopefully the wind condition hasn't changed from what you saw.

That's the theory anyway Cheesy

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Here's another read about mirage.  Re: the last paragraph about shooting at bull with a spotter, I'm thinking that 300yds would be ideal to learn the art of deciphering a mirage.  One could use their spotting scope - a mirage board and still see the POI of the bullet from the bench without a spotter.

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Reply #15 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 3:44pm
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No one can tell you how to shoot in mirage or read the wind!!!!! Can tell you what to look for!!!!! Just have to go to the range and shoot and write down what was going on with each shoot and keep doing this over and over. The BIG thing is being able to recognize the condition over and over. Practive is the only way there is no short cut, have to put in the time to get the benefit. Wink
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Reply #16 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 3:52pm
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If you can write it down in words, then you can teach it as well.  That's not to say that practice is unnecessary - anything physical requires practice, and that includes all forms of shooting competition.  However, practice does not exclude the utility of books or discussion.   

From what I've learned here, mirage has nothing to do with reading wind apparently.  It's all about judging the target's shift in apparent position.  Whereas reading the wind requires weighting the data that flags provide as a function of the distance between the muzzle and flag and flag and target, reading the mirage appears to ignore this for the  most part.  And in fact, probably weights mirage down range, near the target, more than mirage up close to the shooter.  The exact opposite of wind flags.   

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"READING" is our word for it! What you are doing when you write it down is what the flag is doing (direction, velocity) you can`t tell someone "HOW" because it`s never them same day to day, hour to hour, relay to relay!!! You have to use the practice target to keep track of conditions. What all the HOW TO stories are telling is what to lloks for but can not tell you were the bullet is going to strike
  

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Brent; 

That is contrary to my understanding..
I think there are two DIFFERENT definitions of "mirage" going on in this discussion...
One refers to how air movement shifts the IMAGE of a target, and the other being how a short-focused spotting scope can allow a shooter to "see" the wind conditions.

The shooter I referred to uses her spotting scope to see the wind conditions, and gets better results than watching wind flags.
This is my understanding of what many Highpower competitors do also.

No doubt that the target shifting mirage effect ALSO makes significant changes, but seeing the difference between a 7mph breeze from 6 o'clock and a 10mph breeze from 8 o'clock, or being able to SEE a fishtail coming from 9 o'clock before the flags react to it is the more valuable way to "read" mirage.

As I said, I'm slowly learning how to see the wind for 100 yard smallbore prone.
I won't say that it's eliminated all my 9's.. but it's eliminated most of my 8's!

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Paul,
How, using mirage, do you tell an 11 o'clock wind from a 7 o'clock wind or a 9 o'clock wind for that matter?   

If you are using it instead of wind flags, then does not the distance of the mirage from the target matter?  How do you judge that - especially where the wind may be doing different things at different distances.

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If I knew those answers well enough to explain 'em, my Smallbore classification card would say "Master" not "Expert" Cheesy

However, focused properly, in the right conditions, I can "see" a change in direction... mostly I can see a stopping, then a swirling, AS the direction changes..

As for where to focus it... I pick the further 1/3 of the distance..
Am I right in doing so? Dunno.

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Reply #21 - Dec 19th, 2006 at 5:44pm
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Gentelmen,
There is no better way to learn reading mirage then pairing up with an experienced shooter and listening to his/her vocal calls while you are looking thru the scope too.  It does not matter if it is high power, smallbore or LR black powder.  You can get some of it from reading what others describe but there is no substitute for range / trigger time.

Once you are "in tune" with reading mirage, it really helps your scores as the distance gets longer.  But, it is a two edged sword.  If you don't couple it with reading flags and the "feel" of the air around you it can leave you high and dry.  The U.S. BP long range team lost the team event at Bisley in 2003 because up to the 1000 yd line we had readable mirage.  Once we started the 1000 yd event, the wind picked up to 20+ and it started raining.  No more mirage, only wet flags.  The Germans were used to shooting in these conditions and took home the Gold.  A year later at Raton in a "friendly" match held after the Nationals, they did it to us again under almost the same conditions.  As a note, their best finisher in the individual championship finished 11th.  Our team was made up with the best 8 out of 100+ that competed at the nationals that year.  And we still lost.
This spring in South Africa, we won the team event by a very small margin.  The South Africans on their home court were used to a near gale wind condition at the 900 meter line and made up so many points that they almost won the team event.  The heavy wind flatlined the mirage we had been using to that point.   
Mirage is a great tool amongst many other tools to gage probable bullet impact, but I also find it easier to explain one on one as opposed to writing a how to.  Good topic.  Frank Monikowski
  
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VBull, thanks for the match information that never makes the record books.  Most interesting and was enjoyable reading your post.

Sharps, your starter post put me in the search mode for information on the topic that I can glean from when next season arrives with them squigley lines looking down range at that 600yd target.  This range is the longest I have close to home here in south Jersey.

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For that long shot that we have to hurry up, get into position and then are put on hold. Most people in the business have experienced this more than once. While on hold, conditions in the wind have to be monitored. A dominant condition must be determined. Dominant condition is simply that condition that prevails most of the time.

Then we look for variations in the conditions. The best way to do this and any other wind analysis is by looking at mirage through a spotting scope. 

Mirage is simply heat waves reflecting from an object. The warmer the day the more mirage you will see. Anyone who has watched a fire has noticed the distortion that develops from the heat. This distortion is what we look for in the scope. When these waves are observed, movement will be identified. The direction of that movement is the way the wind is blowing at that specific place, at that specific time. 

Mirage is best captured by focusing on the object you are reading and then turning the scope slightly out of focus. Your ability to see the distortion will improve. You're looking for movement in the heat waves themselves. Watch the waves bend, to see the affects of the wind and read the wind direction. 

The best place to read mirage is where you can. Ideally you want to be halfway between you and your target directly in the path the bullet will travel. However, ideal is not what is always available. You may have to improvise, at a different distance, look for a sand box, automobile, pavement, window sills, basically anything that is in the sunlight.

Watch the waves and observe the changes. Remember that wind is rarely constant. This brings up a critical point. When you dope the wind, you have to shoot the wind. Don't dope for a ten mile an hour wind and then wait for a lull in the breeze to shoot. Guess what? You are going to miss. You must be observant to change and change with the conditions. A marksman who stays in position for an extended period will change sight settings several times. It is not uncommon for competitive shooters, at six hundred yards, to make adjustments four or five times in a twenty minute string of fire. 

If the mirage is moving vertically, it is called boiling. This is an indication the wind is moving very slowly or is non-existent. Many people think that this is the time to deliver a shot, it isn't. This vertical distortion makes the target elongate, appearing higher than it is. This perception increases at greater distances. Most competitive shooters will not launch a round in this condition and to them there is only an X-ring at stake. I would say if competition shooters shy away from this shot it certainly warrants our consideration. 

Another thing to consider about a boiling mirage is this. If you look at your target and see right to left or left to right movement but can't really decern wind direction, turn your scope right or left until you see a boiling mirage. That will be the direction the wind is blowing.

Watching the mirage move from right to left or left to right is what the marksman is looking for when doping for windage. Generally, when we consider doping for wind, it has to do with moving the bullet from off center, to center. The slant of the mirage's waves will provide information about velocity as well as direction. The greater the slant the faster the wind. 

When you see the lines of the mirage horizontal and straight you have a really good wind, usually twenty plus miles per hour. This is an extremely poor condition to deliver a shot in. Also keep in mind that when you have this type of wind, even of lesser velocity, the target will be distorted in the direction the wind is moving. The target will be left, or right, of where you think it is.

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If you have a bright, sunny, day and distortion surrounds your target, watch the mirage. You will see it elongate the target. If the wind is blowing from left to right you will see the right side of the target get bigger. This area of the target will appear to swell in the direction the mirage is moving. If the swelling of the area appears to pulsate, that means the wind is intermittent. Again, these effects increase with distance. 
  
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In regards to reading the wind or mirage. The U.S.Army Marksmanship Program, AMU, puts out a very good reference book on the subject. However, the best reference book that I have come across in 40+ years of shooting is "The Accurate Rifle" by Warren Page. Published in 1973 and since reprinted several times. (ISBN0-87691-102-5 Chapter 14 "Shooting through the Swimming Pool" is one of, if not the best on this subject. It is out of print but you can still find it at shows etc.

I agree with Jim B. though, the best way to learn how to read the wind/mirage is to spend time on the range watching and shooting. It's like learning to ride a bike, you gotta do it your self!. Try reading the wind with a pair of binoc. at 600yds with 6 shooters at a time in 60 sec. (Infantry Trophy Match) (Rattle Battle). 
Get the book, read it, read it again, go to the range. Read the book again!. It's not something you will learn overnight.  4227 Wink
  
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I also am a  old hp shooter, 35 years +.  To read mirage , I use a a Kowa TSN-1 w/ zoom  eye piece.  Too old to buy one of the newer 821 or 822. The higher powered eye piece permits you to pick up mirage on a cooler day.  I generally focus on the target at a given yard line then back the focus up until I can see the target but more importantly see the mirage. Shooting 600 yards focus at 300 or 400 yds.I watch the edges of number board or the edges of the target frame in the outer perimeter of the spotting scope, much the same as a mirage board.  The same can be done with a rifle scope. Smallbore prone at a 100yds is good training.   The higher the amplitude on the waves, the slower the mirage ( hence slower the wind).  The smaller the amplitude the faster the mirage ( faster the wind). The true direction of the wind can be determined by rotating your spotting scope until you loose the mirage at that time your scope should be parallel to the mirage.  The velocity of the wind ( the amount of correction required ) can only be determined by experience.  Flags help at this point to determine velocity. The flag angle divided by 4 = velocity.   Still you must put your best guess on and shoot. Sometimes you are rewarded.  Watch the the boils!  A fun experiment is to set a a rifle scope on a fixed object (post or rest ) focused on a target in the morning.  Don't move it but during the day periodically, observe how the mirage displaces the target in relation to the crosshair.  
  

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Kurt_701 wrote on Dec 20th, 2006 at 12:06pm:
 A fun experiment is to set a a rifle scope on a fixed object (post or rest ) focused on a target in the morning.  Don't move it but during the day periodically, observe how the mirage displaces the target in relation to the crosshair.  


This works well IF both the scope and the target are in the shade, otherwise the heat of the sun will cause any metal to 'draw' (move) and thus give a false impression of the mirage. As the sun moves during the day, so will fhe metal and thus also the position of the crosshairs in relation to the target. Found this out the hard way when using a theodolite to set points on the steel Containment wall of a nuke plant, the instrument crosshairs would appear to move as much as 1"-2" at a range of ~100-200 feet over the course of the day. Of course we ended up checking the points in several differing ways to find the real deal, but it was somewhat perplexing for a day or two. Found that some of the movement was in the steel wall while there was also some movement in the instrument itself. Ended up doing most of the controls-setting-&-checking work late at night to avoid this problem. Interesting.
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The attached has helped me a lot.....FWIW.........JimK
  
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Gentelmen,

If you want to put all this mirage reading wisdom into play, come to the American Creedmoor Cup (ACC) long-range match in Phoenix Arizona in March ’07. It is a NO COACHING black powder LR match at 800,900 &1000yds held before the Regional Creedmoor weekend. This is an un-sanctioned match.

This is a chance to watch the flags, feel the hair on the back of your neck, watch the mirage if it’s there and blend as needed. Then twist the sight knobs, get on the rifle and make the shot. Then hope nothing changed much. Wait for the target to come up and see how well you can “read”. This is also known as “on the job training” for most of us.

The ACC is a one-day match in the four-day shooting event.
The prize for this match will be a very large old Shooting Cup (trophy) rebuilt for the ACC
Anyone brave enough to compete with paper-patch bullets will have a chance at a high pp award. (sub-category) 

I hope to see some of you mirage readers there! 
Michael Rix          (this kind of topic is great-not enough on it)
  

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I suspect the advantage reading wind with mirage vs wind flags is controled by match rules.   

For example in team high power.  The coach reads mirage, has a sacrifical shooter or uses a shooters sighters to hold dead center and looks at the result. Thats how he figures out MOA to allow for wind.  He is not making any complicated calucations but has real time data from observing the strike. The big thing he needs to watch mirage for after the sighters is major changes or shifts.   

In Schuetzen you are allowed personal flags but no coaching. Thats why Schetzen shooters don't read mirage in offhand matches. There is no pratical way to do it. The wind flags tell you the story quickly and can be read while in positon waiting out adverse conditons.

In bench rest It's possable to use wind flags and Mirage, I would guess that mirage to signal major shifts is pretty effective. Under the rules  bench shooters can always go to the sighter to figure out the effect wind is having on his bullet in the major conditon. Not need to make any calculations, observing the strike gives real time data.

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The ACC is a one-day match in the four-day shooting event.



Mr. Rix:

Good to hear from you!

What are events of the other three days?


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Glenn,
The next day is an open practice for the 2 day long range regional match held on Saturday and Sunday.
ACC Thursday, Practice Friday, NRA Regional Saturday + Sunday.
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Boats,
Your correct about the match rules governing the needs to learn mirage reading.  In general, the short distance of schuetzen will not see the same effect of mirage as the long range shooters experience.  It is common for a reversal to cause a LR BP shooter to miss the target frame completely even if his last shot was a center hit.  At 1000 yards the frame is only 3 moa from center to air.  When it happens, you can pan your scope up and down the target line and note how many missed the reversal.  Another rule in the NRA matches: personal wind flags ahead of the firing line are not allowed.  With rare exception, all of the matches I've attended have had range flags.  Some not so good, but present.  Frank M.
  
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Vbull

For Schuetzen offhand matches I gave up on personal wind flags. My experence was too much time worrying about them, how they are set etc.  It detracted from my focus. 

I think it's more important to watch the weather match day carefully.  What's it doing, switching direction, increasing and falling off whatever.  Best way is to observe natural conditions.  Trees, clouds, smoke rising, the conditons around the range. Most places There are only a couple of normal weather conditons to see. Here it's stong NE backing off ligher and going back strong, direction changing little. S/E light and varable with major changes in direction. Storms and squalls are another thing. They present a real oppotunity to improve your match standing if not personal score. Waiting out the gust is the way to go there, and watch other shooters get angry or give up. The primary thing to watch if shooting a 3 day match is what each day is likely to present. Sometimes It's best to wait a day out or get going and shoot the whole match in the best conditon.

When sighting in I shoot a few in the most adverse conditon held center to see what the strike is. That gives me the paramaters of what I can expect. Lets say center to 3 Moa right in the major conditon. and of course if sighted for the major conditon thats 3 moa left if the wind goes flat. That gives me the spread I can expect a well held shot to strike.

When shooting you need to watch something.  I may try to get a mirage read while waiting out a conditon or cease fire.  Dust from the backstop is a real good indicator. And I look at other shooters wind flags, certanly plenty of them out there. However once the match begins I am fairly sure what the wind will do to my bullet and only have to watch for signifigant shifts. and pay attention to my sight settings.  Most of the valaditon of sight adjustment choices is spotting each shot compared to call. If puzzled by something there is always the sighter to go back to

Thats what I do anyway

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Talking about smoke and trees ...

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boats wrote on Dec 22nd, 2006 at 8:24am:

If puzzled by something there is always the sighter to go back to

Boats


Sorta depends on what sort of match you are shooting of course.  

A lot of matches do not allow a return to the sighter - and some may not even allow an initial sighter.   Generally, elk, deer, etc also have a habit of not allowing sighters. Wink

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Brent I understand WSU is shooting without sighters once the record string starts. and counting all shots fired.  That to me is a good idea as it's much harder. Schuetzen is sort of watered down from what it  once was. WSU is going in the right direction in my opinion.

I used to shoot a fair amount of Service rifle and sighters were not allowed once the record relay started. High power silouette too. Coaching is allowed in both and worth more than sighters if you have the right coach. In fact I would say in BPCS the spotter is worth at least as much as the shooter. You can't compete sucessfully without a good one.

Each match has it's own rules and the best advice is to figure out a way to compete under the rules sucessfully. It is a mistake however to carry over methods that work well for one and not for another. Since they are allowed in ASSRA Schuetzen it's well worth using the sighter target to check changes in wind conditons. I  am not so sure Mirage is usefull, and you don't see any top offhand shooters using it.

Game is another matter. Around here we don't get much for long shots and holding dead center is the way to go with any sort of high velocity rifle.   

Still the basic advice is the same figure out the base conditon and watch for changes.

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Hi Glenn,
Yup. That is the schedule. This NO Coaching format match was added to the front of the South West Regional LR this year to see if there was much interest in this kind of match. 

As you know, in the BPCR silhouette, mid-range and long-range matches with coaching, it is a team event. Winners’ coaches get little official notice. More, if you don’t have your regular spotter with you at a match far from home, the going can be tough. 

I was talking this over with Mr. Steve Rhoades last summer in Raton after the LR Nationals and he offered to find a spot for this “No Coaching” match in AZ to see how it would be received.  I welcome BPCR matches where a single rifleman, as in most other shooting disciplines can come by them self to do there best. So hopefully we will have some takers from far away places, as this is also the Regional. His match is well attended anyway as most western stated are represented. He runs a very good match!

To stay on topic I should say I have found that some days are wind flag days and other days are more of a mirage day. I just have to see what is working best each time I get to the line or behind a scope. Most days I use a blend of both but there are times when one or the other will lie to you. I like to use mirage if I can as I fine it is easiest for me to make accurate corrections. Errr… that is when I do make accurate corrections.

I can mail entry’s for the ACC….
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Last December I started this post. I received allot of great input on what to look for, how to read it, and that it’s just a matter of spending time out on the range. I agree with that. I do appreciate everyone’s input it has been of great help over the last year. 

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                Thanks for the name of the book “Reading the Wind and Coaching Techniques” by Jim Owens, USMC. 

This post has a lot of great advice on what to look for and what to do with it. Thanks to all of you that contributed to the post. 

At this time I have just have one more request from all of you. Does anyone have what they would consider a must have book that covers “Reading Mirages”. Granted, the real work is on the range. Yet I believe that it does not hurt knowing what you need to look for and what to do when you can read it. Books are a great source of reference knowledge; they will not replace the experts, or your time on the range. I really don’t wish to be besieged with a number of books that say the same thing; perhaps one or two that pretty much say it all would be just fine with me. 
  
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"At this time I have just have one more request from all of you. Does anyone have what they would consider a must have book that covers “Reading Mirages”. "

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