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ao3 Junior Member Offline Posts: 60 Location: Central OHIO Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Uberti John Bodine 45-70 Dec 10^th, 2006 at 7:59am	Print Post
	I am thinking of getting one of these,is it worth it,How about quality and accurccy, Buffalo Arms have them priced about $1600 Thanks Ken


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oldbluelight Ex Member	Re: Uberti John Bodine 45-70 Reply #1 - Dec 10^th, 2006 at 9:46am	Print Post
	Just bought a Pedersoli Bodine (and I believe the Bodine that BA has is a Pedersoli not a Uberti) with 30" bbl. The rifle appears to be well made and capable of good accuracy. I'm testing loads with black powder now and it is capable of producing 10 shot groups under 3" at 100 with most any granulation of powder but I haven't found a load capable of producing groups under 1.75". Very limited testing to this point, around 50 rounds. Neither the rifle nor myself "broke in" yet. Rifle was purchased from Dixie Gun Works. Wood attractive but not spectacular. Stock fitting seems competent with the note that the right upper edge of the forend is rounded slightly (other side has clean,sharp edge). I have medium sized hands and the distance between the pistol grip and the firing trigger is a little longer than I'd like, but functional. Set trigger has been left at factory adjustment, which is very usable, until I've put a little more wear on the parts. Rifle holds fairly well offhand but metal buttplate has smooth polished surface that's a tad slippery. Recoil with 490gr bullets around 1250 fps off the bench is stout but not uncomfortable or bruising. Included sights have some disadvantages. Aperature in tang is small and in anything less than full sunlight is fuzzy. Instructions with tang sight indicated that it might need shimming (that was not very encouraging) but mine didn't so they may include that caveat just to cover all possiblities. Base is made to fit several differnt rifles so you will need a small level to mount it square to the bore and adjust it to true verticle. Spring that holds the staff upright is a tad difficult to position correctly when you're installilng the sight but does click positively into position once you've fiddled and cussed sufficiently. Vernier scale on tang is cut for very young eyes and the widage scale on the eye piece is marked for very young eagle's eyes. Adjustments appear to be fairly repeatable but have not given that an extensive test yet. Front globe has twelve inserts but no level. Am considering purchasing a front globe with level and widage adjustment if the scale is clearer than that on the tang sight. Hadley eyepiece a most definite necessity if I keep the stock tang sight. Rifle will probably not meet weight limits in some matches even in 30" configuration. I believe Buffalo arms has the same rifle without sights. That might be the way to go if you're willing to add on a better sight combination. Bodines seem to get pretty good reviews on the black powder cartridge forums except for the sights. Hope this helps. Rifle is a lot of fun so far with very few frustrations other than the sights.
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marlinguy Ex Member Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater!	Re: Uberti John Bodine 45-70 Reply #2 - Dec 10^th, 2006 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	They're the same gun. Pedersoli makes the Sharps rifles for Uberti.

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oldbluelight Ex Member	Re: Uberti John Bodine 45-70 Reply #3 - Dec 11^th, 2006 at 8:39am	Print Post
	Yes they do make the Sharps, but the John Bodine is a Rolling Block action and the BA site specifies that it is made by Pedersoli.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Uberti John Bodine 45-70 Reply #4 - Dec 11^th, 2006 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	Ken, IMHO Pedersoli makes a fine barrel and their rifles shoot with excellent accuracy. Here's some factory specifications on their barrels: Compliments of Dick Trenk Following is dimensions from our chamber reamer blueprint for 45-70 caliber. These are the nominal dimensions given to each rifle, with a mfr. tolerance of unspecified fore and aft change due to the obvious differences in how far the reamer is actually moved into each barrel. I would guess we control reamer depth by +.003" and -.000" . Rim Dia. .618" Rim width .070 (depth of rim seat) Case dia at rim base .508 Case length 2.129 (includes .070 rim thickness) Length of 45 deg angle .060 Diameter at rear of throat (at 45 deg angle) .4598 Length of throat .236 Diameter of throat at front .4578 Leade angle 1 deg. 30 min ============================ Bore dia, .4500" Groove dia .4580" Leade length and distance is not quoted and the leade angle will control that. Remember that when the reamer is used a bit deeper or more shallow it not only changes the rim seat depth but affects the leade start and end locations as well. Dick T. ....... Pedersoli barrels are machined from a chrome moly alloy having the metalurgical composition called 30Cr Mo4 Uni 7845 which is a patented alloy variation developed by Mauser in the 1930s specially for their new M34 light machinegun which has such a rapid rate of fire. The alloy was designed to prevent or minimize the barrel from "walking" the bullets on the target as the barrel heated up. To my knowledge only Mauser, Sako, Mannlicher and Walther use this expensive alloy which Pedersoli buys. For our action frames ( and other parts such as breech blocks etc.) we use a special alloy which is best suited for the "forging" process we use on ALL our Sharps, Rolling Block, Trapdoor, Colt Lightning and forthcoming HiWall rifles. This alloy is identified as being 18Cr Mo4. This alloy alows what is called "cementation hardening." Which gives a hard wear resistant surface of proper depth, while maintaining a non-brittle softer internal molecular structure necessary on such parts which are subject to shock and high stress loadings repeatedly. This alloy also allows us to produce very colorful case hardened exterior surfaces so desired in fine guns. The alloy can also be finished in standard hot blue/black or "coin" color finishes. Smaller parts are made from equally suitable steel alloys and are properly heat treated by means of induction coil methods and oil or water quenched, according to the desired hardness and type of alloy being used. ............................................... How do they Shoot? Here's a 100yd target group for 25 shots. The ragged hole that looks like the map of New Jersey was created with 14 of the 25 bullets. No sight adjustments were made for POI on the X ... was just shooting for group determination. At 600yds, my Quigley will shoot 12" - 15" (not MOA) groups using Black Powder.
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