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rafter-7
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1885 Win 50/90
Dec 6th, 2006 at 7:40pm
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Davidsons are having 125 of this caliber chambered does any one know what the twist is going to be?

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search winchester 1885 50/90 bpcr these rifles are allocated first come first serve. rumor has it wholesale is just under 1300.00

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Re: 1885 Win 50/90
Reply #1 - Dec 7th, 2006 at 8:10pm
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Buffalo Arms has them on their web site, but so far no stock in. I think that price is close to what I saw at BA's web site.

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Re: 1885 Win 50/90
Reply #2 - Dec 7th, 2006 at 11:10pm
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Who is making this hiwall? There are so many makers I can't keep it straight. Does someone have a list of Highwalls and near highwalls being made? Which ones are exact copies?
  
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Re: 1885 Win 50/90
Reply #3 - Dec 8th, 2006 at 11:52am
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it is suppos ta, have a winchester stamp on it and I know it is being built oversee's I am getting one shipped to my local gun shop for 1300+tax Huh  the dies and brass are here just waiting on  the gun Undecided

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Reply #4 - Jan 9th, 2007 at 11:05pm
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my 50/90 1885 is here and it has the winchester stamp on it made in japan/Mouku.

very nice looking gun and the rate of twist is 1 / 26

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Re: 1885 Win 50/90
Reply #5 - Jan 10th, 2007 at 5:06pm
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Hello Fellows,

The orignal Winchester Model 1885 high-walls chambered for 50-90 were 1:36.

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Reply #6 - Jan 10th, 2007 at 9:24pm
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Bert do you or any one know what rate of twist a original sharps has in thier 50/90

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Re: 1885 Win 50/90
Reply #7 - Jan 10th, 2007 at 11:39pm
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Bert do you or any one know what rate of twist a original sharps has in thier 50/90

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I do not know what twist rate SHarps used in their 50-90 rifles, but I very much believe that Winchester would have used the exact same twist rate in the original high-walls.

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Re: 1885 Win 50/90
Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2007 at 12:31pm
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Winchester ran their twist rates all over the place. Several years back I made a replacement barrel for an 86 in 50 Express. The original barrel had a twist of 1 in 60", the book said 1 in 56", the later rifles had a 1 in 48" twist. The 50-100 started out at 1 in 48" and ended at 1 in 36". I think the 50-90 started at 1 in 36" but I don't have any info to back it up. I have run into the same thing on the 44-40 starting at 1 in 36" and ending up at 1 in 28". New green mountain 50 cal. is 1 in 24", I hope the new 85s have a twist that is around there.
  
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Re: 1885 Win 50/90
Reply #9 - Jan 11th, 2007 at 2:50pm
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I just finished examining an original Win 1886 45-90 which should have had a twist of ~ 1-36 or slower in that chambering. I've owned 3 Win 1886 45-90s in the past, all had slow twists (and would not shoot the 457125 Gov't bullet particularly accurately either LOL). This one however has a twist of ~ 1-22". I was amazed when I saw more than one full turn in the original 26" length, so I examined the rifle, the barrel both inside and out, and the bbl markings very very closely indeed. It's undoubtedly original and righteous, albeit in only NRA Antique Good-VG condition, fairly early 36xxx serial # which would date it in ~ the early '90s. Possibly an error, used a 45-70 bbl by mistake maybe, who knows?

The Win 1886 50 cals used various-weight bullets in the same chamber and had different names for the various cartridges, i.e. the 50-110 used a 300-gr bullet, the 50-100 used a 450-gr bullet and the 50-105 used a bullet in between. The chamber dimensions are identical on all 3 cartridges and the cartridge cases themselves are identical, the only differences are in the barrel markings, bullet wts and powder charges. I wouldn't be surprised if Win didn't change the twist to accommodate the heavier bullet, after complaints from shooters about the light bullet. I figure that slower twist in the earlier rifles was a holdover from the earlier 50 Express cartridge used in the Win 1876, with its light 300-gr bullet, and when they started using the heavier 450-gr bullet then they needed the tighter twist. JMO.
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Re: 1885 Win 50/90
Reply #10 - Jan 11th, 2007 at 3:31pm
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A little Sharps info: they also ran their twists all over the place, at least in some chamberings. I personally have never seen a Sharps 50 with a twist faster than 1:36" but wouldn't doubt it if someone said that they had seen one, see below.

I have seen several 45-cal Sharps with differing twists, always ~ 1-22" or slower. My friend The Redneck Shooter has not only seen but measured the twist in another one (45 - 2 7/8" AIR) in a museum at 1-18". I believe this is another instance of the twist being changed to accommodate a different-weight bullet, maybe even a special-order for an individual. Again, who knows?

I've owned a 50-70 and a 50-110, and found the following about the 50-110 in a Ruger with 1:36" Kreiger:

Longer heavier bullets are much more accurate but require a tighter twist.
Accuracy improved as the powder charge was increased.
Longer heavier bullets are much more accurate but require a tighter twist.
Bertram brass is unsatisfactory & in some examples unsafe.
Longer heavier bullets are much more accurate but require a tighter twist.
My shoulder gave out long before I reached the optimum accuracy level (9.5-lb rifle).
Did I mention the better accuracy with the longer bullets?

I drew several conclusions from this admittedly-limited experience:

Better recoil pad.
No more 50-cal 300-gr bullets.
Heavier rifle.
No more Bertram brass.
Better-shaped buttstock.
Still-tighter twist if shooting the big 650-gr bullets.
Sissy pad for shoulder.

Nowadays I have a 12-lb high wall in 45-90, it's enough for an old man.
Good luck, Joe
  
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