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Re: Win 1885 - Thick Side vs Octagon Top  act
Reply #45 - Apr 25th, 2007 at 11:44am
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Have it relined if it needs it.
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Reply #46 - Apr 25th, 2007 at 12:09pm
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Just some more info about my gun. The barrel size isn't marked ahead of the forend. The (round) barrel is 28" long and measures 0.885 just ahead of the shank and 0.735 at the muzzle. Closest in size to a No.1 I guess. The only mark is the VP, violent proof.

Also, someone questioned the originality of the forend, here's a picture. It has the ebony insert, schnable and is 10-1/8" long.

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That is an original forend stock (it is missing the escutcheon though).

Your measured barrel dimensions positively ID it as a No. 1. A standard No. 1 barrel is a nominal .900 at the breech end (just ahead of the threaded shank), and .740 at the muzzle. Dimensions can easily vary by .020 due to the hand polishing prior to finishing.

Your rifle is the lowest recorded serial number I have found thus far with a No. 1 barrel.  Winchester very quickly standardized the barrel size no. stamps, but many of the real early barrels were not marked on the bottom of the barrel with size no. stamp. 

I like your plan to leave it original Cool.

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Reply #47 - Apr 25th, 2007 at 4:44pm
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I have the escutcheon Bert, the entire gun is disassembled. Will put reassembly next on the project list, but that may be a while.

I know that Ballard Rifle Co. makes parts for Highwalls so I'm thinking perhaps I'll send it to them for reassembly, they'll have whatever is needed to complete the gun. 

Would you recommmend them for this type of work or perhaps someone else?


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Reply #48 - Apr 25th, 2007 at 6:14pm
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Hello Rob,

Are looking to just simply reassemble it, or to have some additional work done to it?

I (for the most part) work on my own 1885s, and as such, I have never dealt with the folks at the B.R.C. concerning work on them. I contacted them for parts a few times though.

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Reply #49 - Apr 25th, 2007 at 8:40pm
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I had them work on a "modified", "improved" action and they did very very well.  This was probably 5 yrs ago or so and BRC keeps changing hands (and getting a lot more expensive) so I can't really say if this recommendation is still valid, but I was very happy with the quality of the work.  And then they sent me a bill that was a little out of line with the previous estimate.  Then on another "improved" Ballard block they did an admirable job but again the bill was way out of line with what they quoted me before hand (but after they had inspected the pieces).

In both instances, we agreed to the pre-work prices and I could not have been happier with the quality.  So, I would say, yup a good place, just have them call and talk to you about what needs to be done and what it will cost BEFORE they dig in.  Keep track and I'm sure everything will be fine.

Like I said this is also somewhat dated info.

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Reply #50 - Apr 25th, 2007 at 9:00pm
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Recoil Rob, VP is View Proof, not Violent Proof.   Terminology was picked up from the Brits.
  
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Reply #51 - Apr 26th, 2007 at 2:05pm
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Recoil Rob, VP is View Proof, not Violent Proof.   Terminology was picked up from the Brits.


Are you absolutely sure about that? I have read in numerous places that it is "Violent Proof".

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Reply #52 - Apr 26th, 2007 at 10:50pm
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Brent,
Your story about Ballard's tactics of estimates vs. actual bills struck a chord here! I got the same result on my #4 Perfection when I had then recase the parts for my restoration. Took twice as long to do it, and cost twice what they estimated.
When I asked how it could be that different, they noted two things. First they said the parts were not polished high enough. Baloney, as my local smith had to knock the finish off the barrel with a scotchbrite pad, as he said I got my parts too well polished.
Second they said my trigger needed a small piece welded to the bottom, as it wasn't original length. I gave them that, but it wasn't worth the extra $250 they charged!-Vall
  
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Reply #53 - Apr 27th, 2007 at 12:19am
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Recoil Rob, VP is View Proof, not Violent Proof.   Terminology was picked up from the Brits.


I got my info from p.93 of Campbells book, VP, Violent Proof.

I will also refer you to THE WINCHESTER MODEL 94, THE FIRST 100 YEARS  by Robert Renneberg, p. 141 discussing lower barrel markings, top illustration. "Clearly seen are the ... violent proofmark (VP in oval)...".


Thanks for the advice about BRC. I just want the gun cleaned and reassembled but I'm thinking I can probably do that myself (sounds like I could get some help here if I get stuck). I did pull the barrel (now, I'm not the one that used the pipe wrench, I have the right setup) but I do have an indexing mark so headspace shouldn't be a problem. The barrel spins on by hand to within about 10˚ of the mark. 

Will need some parts but I can get them from BRC. Not sure if the SST works but I'll give it a try.

Rob
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Re: Win 1885 - Thick Side vs Octagon Top  acti
Reply #54 - Apr 27th, 2007 at 8:40am
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Rob, and others working on the Winchester SST,

This will probably be old news to some of you, but since the W-SST has a reputation in some circles for being cranky and unreliable, especially among those who have moved them from one rifle to another, I thought I would post some observations.  My friend JD Steele will probably want to add to them when he gets back on.

Although Winchester had a high level of parts interchangeability, the SST geometry IS a little more critical than could be completely achieved in this way.  The "tuning" of the trigger is sometimes kind of frustrating, but once it is right, they do work well.  I have an original that is virtually problem free, but the one on my .22 musket-cum-sporter was added by me on a tang that I have had bent to PG has a tendency to go out of adjustment.  My advice (FWIW) is to clean all trigger related parts squeeky clean then lube them lightly with a non-gummy oil.  The trigger adjustment screw should be turned in until the set no longer holds, then backed out until it holds the trigger to the desired level.  You may need a bit of soft locking paste (some non-hardening Loc-tite for instance) to have it stay in adjustment.  Don't overdo this and don't try for a too-light trigger.   

I hope this will be of help to those beginning or resuming the use of the Winchester SST, because it can be a very useful accessory.

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Re: Win 1885 - Thick Side vs Octagon Top  act
Reply #55 - Apr 27th, 2007 at 9:00am
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Boy, I can agree with those comments on the SST.  Mine was a bear to deal with but with a lot of help from the languishing JDS, it is now as reliable as they come.   

JDS, I'm afraid, will not be back too soon. The powers that be seem to have seen to that.  A real sorry state of affairs in my opinion.

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Re: Win 1885 - Thick Side vs Octagon Top  act
Reply #56 - Apr 27th, 2007 at 10:04am
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JDS, I'm afraid, will not be back too soon. The powers that be seem to have seen to that.  A real sorry state of affairs in my opinion.

Brent



I'm new here but the man seemed to garner much respect. Has he taken ill or is it politics?


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Reply #57 - Apr 27th, 2007 at 10:15am
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The latter apparently. Lips Sealed
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Reply #58 - Apr 30th, 2007 at 7:38am
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Hmmmmmmm, I wonder:


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Reply #59 - Apr 30th, 2007 at 7:41am
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Yeah, except that this is not the first time Joe's been tossed off of this place for speaking his mind (and pretty mildly in my opinion).

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