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If you could have ONE single shot mass produced..?
Nov 5th, 2006 at 11:34pm
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Just a sort of a poll.. only without limiting choices like a Poll post does.

If you could point a finger, and speak a command, and have RemChester, or Ruger& Wesson, or whoever, start (or restart) mass production of ONE single shot rifle... Pretty much unchanged (no stupid key-lock laywer mechanisms)...
What would it be?

For my own answer... It's a tough choice..
I think either a Fraser actioned rifle (they just look SO handsome!), or a Schuetzen style Swiss Martini with double set triggers.
Well, unless an action the size and style of a Stevens Favorite could be beefed up to handle .32-20.... (I have no RATIONAL reason for wanting such a small packaged .32-20... I just DO...).

Your "Vote"?


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Re: If you could have ONE single shot mass produce
Reply #1 - Nov 5th, 2006 at 11:49pm
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The most sensiblerifle to mass produce so it could be sold at a mass produced price?  Hands down it would be the takedown high-wall Winchester.  Because of the modular nature of its design, one rifle could be manufactured but easily configured at the factory or aftermarket in an endless variety of ways with stocks, trigger tangs and of course barrels.  This one is a no brainer.

If you don't want to admit that something being made now in limited numbers would be a good thing, how about something being made in REALLY limited numbers?  The Maynard repro I just reviewed would also be a big seller if mass produced, and would be about as difficult to reconfigure as a TC Contender.  One breech piece (their name for the receiver) and a batch of barrels and you could do anything.

I know both of these are in production on a limited basis, but you did say MASS production, which makes me think "affordable."

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Reply #2 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 12:27am
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True, I did say "mass produced"...
Perhaps for the sake of the discussion, I should define my terms a bit.
"Mass" produced, but more on the scale of a special edition.. A big enough run to make the rifle priced on par with the "factory custom" rifles like Cooper, etc...
Say, under $2k, but not necesarily under $1K.

I've got no problem at all with custom makers making very limited runs of so many different wonderful rifles and actions! But I have to say, it would be great to have a FEW more choices for the average guy available for more pedestrian prices.. (you know, so we can get more guys REALLY hooked and saving their money for the high end customs!). Cheesy


And I'd like to amend my choices to include the Take-Down High Wall! 

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Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 1:31pm
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Paul,
I'll pick up your original choices - especially the Fraser falling block would be an extremely good idea, these rifles are simply stunning!  As far as I am concerned, they can even throw off the safeties for ease of production. The other one would be -  of course - a Large Francotte-actioned Martini, with the humpback!.  And, as for one that could really be made affordably - the Field sidelever falling block.  Utter simplicity, yet quite nice and well-designed, capable of handling just about anything - I'd call it the Brit Hiwall...
  
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Re: If you could have ONE single shot mass produce
Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 6:45pm
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Have any of you seen the Dunlion action?  I think I spelled it right.  Bernie Harrell had one of the actions (he'd stocked it) at EG a year or two back.  Steve Earle had made an initial small run of action frames for the inventor/creator/promoter, but I fear it is a project that has died a-borning.  It is/was an incredibly small strong action,  not much bigger than a Favorite (but thicker of course) as I recall but capable of handling cases up 45-70, or so I was told.  Too small to be a real target rifle. But its the one I'd really like to see on the market.
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 8:19pm
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Paul--- As far as I'm concerned the action needs a visible hammer, case colors, great double set triggers, a through bolt stock, beefy enough for most all old timey cartridges, extremely competitive on the bench, comfortable and user friendly for off hand,  classic lines that transcend the centuries, and truely a hunting machine.   Lucky,Lucky me.... it's the Ballard Pacific and it is readily available!   Granted it is more pricey.... but worth it!     ---Grapeshot
  
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Re: If you could have ONE single shot mass produce
Reply #6 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 9:21pm
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What ssdave said!   Wink

If you INSIST on an action that is original but has not been reproduced (except as a castings kit if you allow the Frasier) my vote goes to the Redfield.  It looks to be the illigitimate offspring of a Ballard and a Stevens 44 1/2 with the striking features of both combined.  The one Ken Hurst had built up from a kit really turned my crank and I would not be ashamed to be seen shooting that one on any SS venue.   Cool

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Reply #7 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 9:47pm
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The best singleshot rifle of all time is already being made "Stevens 44 1/2" it will do it all.   leadball
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 12:06am
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... not even a contest:
Any model of the Harry Pope Rifles with his modified George Schalke rifling - single cut method barrels.  False muzzle and the guaranteed 2" groups @ 200 as options!  Wink
  
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Re: If you could have ONE single shot mass produce
Reply #9 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 12:27am
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Large Francotte action with PG lever and adjustable trigger.
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 9:01am
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"If you could point a finger, and speak a command, and have RemChester, or Ruger& Wesson, or whoever, start (or restart) mass production of ONE single shot rifle..." 

My thoughts FWIW:

It pains me to say this because there are several less well known actions which appeal to me (Field, Alex Henry, etc.) but I have to agree with ssdave?Frog and also leadball as to actions. Here I probably part company with most. Paul_F. did say RIFLE - not just action. If you want to mass produce it and
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 9:09am
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Oops! Hit a wrong key. Whatcha expect from a guy who can't half see?

If you want to MASS PRODUCE and SELL it, it can't be a Schuetzen rifle. I know we would buy that but there aren't enough of us. Besides, if it didn't have our favorite action we wouldn't have it! Has to have broader appeal, like a hunting rifle and not an 11 pounder like the American makers did them. More llike the Brits.
  
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Re: If you could have ONE single shot mass produce
Reply #12 - Nov 9th, 2006 at 8:19am
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I would say that the best action out there that is not being made is the Perigrin. as good as a Miller but with a good triger.

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Reply #13 - Nov 9th, 2006 at 10:28am
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Based on looks alone:  The recent summer issue of the Double Gun Journal pictured a Holland & Holland falling block rifle based on the 1877 patent Field action.  That rifle is one of the best looking things I have ever seen.  Like a Hepburn, without the ugly!
  
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Re: If you could have ONE single shot mass produce
Reply #14 - Nov 9th, 2006 at 12:27pm
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1878,

The Field not only looks good, but also is quite simple - few parts, simple takedown.  On top of that, it is extremely strong too, at least as strong as a 'wall.  In their day, they were used by many of the famous names to build rifles on.  That would be an action both easy to produce and not too expensive.
FWIW, a drawing of aGreener match rifle on a Field action:
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