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Oct 15th, 2006 at 7:52pm
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I am interested n doing some indoor practicing in the attempt to learn to shoot offhand. I can get about 25 or 30 feet with an absorbant backstop down in my basement. In the effort to minimize noise and expense I am thinking of trying the CBcaps.  I have worked with CCI CB-longs in the past and have several boxes of them. I also have some of the Aguila sans-poudre ammo to try. Is there any problem or damage to my rifles likely to result from using the cci CBcaps in the 22rf short case.

I am not looking for ultimate accuracy, simply a practice round that will allow me to learn the physical mechanics of offhand shooting.

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Reply #1 - Oct 15th, 2006 at 9:07pm
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I think you should worry more about your lungs in an enclosed enbvirement with that type of ammunition. I would think you would be better off using an air rifle. You might try one of the more accurate ones like the military uses for practice.
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Reply #2 - Oct 15th, 2006 at 10:06pm
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finally a topic i know a lot about... I shoot comp indoor at 50ft. offhand

short shells will not hurt you gun just clean your chamber of the powder ring before you try to chamber LRs again

as for the basement thing Tbird is right  ventilation is a good thing but if it is only you and not alot of shots you'll be ok. I would and have done it.

offhand rimfire shooting is the hardest sport in shooting bar none!

My indoor rifle is a 541 remington with a 6.5x20 EFR with a premier bumper in it to kick it up to 30 to 50X and i shoot it at  about 45x@ 50ft.
its like a spotting scope mounted on top of your rifle... you can see your heart beat in the scope! 

I applode anyone who even tries this level of shooting  it is not easy and do not get discuraged my first season i shot 145/200 and now i am in the 185 bracket

no palm balls, hand stops , slings or hooks just you and the rifle putting the bullets down there

rules are 20 shots  in 20 minutes for 200 points

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Reply #3 - Oct 15th, 2006 at 11:11pm
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The basement is ventilated and I have a couple well placed powered dryer exhaust vents since I do my casting and a lot of other stuff down there.
   I already have a couple of Martinis that I'll use. At this point I cannnot afford or justify an air rifle of equal quality.  I have scopes for them,  I just have to figure out which one will focus down to the close range I'll be working at.  I've been playing with a recently acquired BSA Cadet 22 rf conversion fitted with an anschutz take off barrel that will work well as a practice rifle with a bit of action tuning to lighten up the trigger pull.  Eventually it'll be my squirrel and starling rifle.  Once I get into it a bit more I may switch over to the Swiss federal martini with the DST.   I just don't want to frog things up with the CBCaps.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 15th, 2006 at 11:56pm
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DWS;
What you need is a used Match air rifle. Over the long haul, the air rifle will pay for itself in much lesser ammunition costs. Plus it is essentially noiseless.

There was a truly fine Anschutz Olympic level air rifle that was priced at only $400.00 at the .22 only match. Unfortunately for me it was left handed. Just keep your eyes open at gun shows. Now that the Scuba tank rifles are on the market a lot of match air rifle shooters are trading their side cockers in. The  demand is not high for these rifles and you can often get a real deal. Remember, they are still as good as they were before the scuba rifles were placed on the market. ONce you try a really good air rifle, you won't want to go back to a cartridge rifle for home use.

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Reply #5 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 12:03am
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I bought that LH air rifle for indoor practice - have shot it outdoors at 25 yds - it is a tack driver - the rimfire
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 8:57am
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Aguila makes a long rifle called Super Crabari verrrrrry low power with a 20 gr bullet.

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A couple of comments, not necessarily opinions or recomendations, just FYI stuff.

I have cast bullets & fired RFs indoors since the '60s, in mostly poorly- or un-ventilated environments. Got worried a while back & had a blood test for lead, results were in the low normal range.

I shoot a lotta CB Longs & some Aquila Colibris, but I try to avoid the Short length since I don't want to have to clean the chamber after every shooting session. Sometimes the Colibris don't exit the muzzle, depending.

I use a commercial steel Outer's bullet trap @ 33 feet & the sound of the bullet hitting the steel is sometimes louder than the report.

Also have a 177 spring-piston air rifle (FWB) along with the various 22s, but only fired ~5000 rounds over the last 20 years.

Now some opinions. 1) I no longer worry about lead. 2) I don't use Shorts 'cause I'm scared of damage to my LR chambers, & IMO damage would occur eventually. 3) I don't use set triggers when shooting in my shop since my bullet trap is mighty small & my walls are mighty thin; you guys with basements are very fortunate IMO since an AD is much better-contained, and an AD WILL occur with set triggers sooner or later. I will get a larger splash panel, but still have reservations about using set triggers indoors. 4) for a good short range setup, I suggest a barrel with a twist for Shorts, something in the 1:20" to 1:24" range; this should prove to be more accurate than the usual LR twist when combined with the CBs. I recently relined a friend's Ruger No 1 RF in this fashion & he reports great results so far. 5) IMO the Colibris are not for me, the low velocity combined with the questionable/variable barrel time will give the wrong impression of my performance. 6) I love shooting the air rifle, it's far far more accurate than the RFs at this range & provides great practice & recreation. 7) My next air rifle will be a side-lever-cocking 22 cal since the 177 is inadequate for small game & the side-lever is perceived as being more accurate with a scope.
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    A few years ago I shot around 7000 rounds of .22 LR during the winter months at the local indoor range.  That range has an air exchange system which I turned for every other ten shot target.  It brought cold outside air into the range and the range would have required a heater if I left it on all the time. 
    I would shoot 100 rounds 3 or 4 days a week. I would be the only person shooting on a six point range in my morning shooting sessions. About 5 weeks into the shooting I started to get headaches and I came to think it was the fumes from the shooting.  
    I purchased some of the cheap painter masks and wore them when I shot.  The masks would be very gray after about 1000 rounds.  I would then change to a new mask.  No more headaches.  I shoot my air rifle in my basement now but when I go to the range to practice with my .22 I still wear the masks.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 6:40pm
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I've tried that Aguila Colabri stuff and found it hopelessly inaccurate; too much vertical. Try a box before you buy a brick. It makes no noise, (the hammer fall drowns the report) but make sure the bullet comes out, ( I had one stick in a dirty bore, and the gunshop in Buffalo marks the boxes " For Handguns Only"). I got a cheap pellet gun for indoor, and shoot out the shop window with the 22.
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 7:34pm
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The more I read here the more I believe in the match air rifle for indoor practice. A goodly number of serious small bore shooters have gone to the air rifle for indoor use. The economy plus world class accuracy is the reason. You need no ear protection and you can shoot the best air rifle pellets in the world for $60.00-$80.00 for 5000. That amount of best quality .22's will cost you over a $1000.00.

You can pay for a decent air rifle in just a short time with the ammo savings.

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Over the years I have taken an awful lot of birds, squirrels and rabbits with a .177 cal air rifle.  This 2002 superair side cocker with fully adjustable everything sure is sweet.  I know one thing - I have it sighted for 25yds and it is almost like you can't miss.  you all have a good day now - the rimfire
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 17th, 2006 at 8:40am
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Your experience mirrors mine as. I cast in my basement at fiarly high temp. 850 -875 and had wondered about lead levels. Last year I had a doctors appointment that fell in the middle of one of my casting sessions. As long as they were taking blood anyway I asked them to do a test for lead. Mine too came back low I thing the whole lead exposier thing has been blown way out of perportion. 

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Reply #13 - Oct 17th, 2006 at 6:25pm
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Dale53 wrote on Oct 16th, 2006 at 7:34pm:
The more I read here the more I believe in the match air rifle for indoor practice. A goodly number of serious small bore shooters have gone to the air rifle for indoor use. 
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