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1878 Sharps purchased last summer.
Oct 9th, 2006 at 7:47am
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this one cost more than a few levers and I even had to dig in my buddys collection and do some trading with him to get enough 'Ponys' to bring this one home
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when this got sendt here I was just going to look and send back! well I didn't follow through on the send back thing. So i started digging and selling two months later i got it paid off

rafter-7
ooohhh its a 40/70 2 1/4  I am going to order brass from buffalo arms is there any place better or cheaper these guys are about 1.25 a case?
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Reply #1 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 9:56am
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Nice rifle! Of coarse you know, those hammerless sharps will never catch on. You spent more than a few levers to get that rifle. Theres no sense in getting cheap on the brass. Be carefull with the stretched brass. A friend in Idaho has a new two piece ballard. A case seperated and lodged in the barrel. The next shot  broke the receiver in half. Thats a beutifull Sharps.          Joe.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 10:22am
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Nice looking gun.  Now, you need to get some pictures without all the distractions in the background.

Personally, I like BA's stretched .45-100 and .45-90 brass.

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Reply #3 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 12:36pm
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Very nice rifle, congratulations on getting it.  Have you done a chamber cast, if so would you email me at mjpetrov@acsalaska.net
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 4:59pm
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Well done Rafter 7. 

Original sights as well. If you ever replace them let me know, it'll save me making my own. Dagnabit, thirty years I've been looking for a Borchardt, and some folks just fall over them. lol.

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Reply #5 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 5:26pm
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Harry, have you broached the blind section for your breechblock yet? I saw the pictures you posted. Looks great!     Joe.
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 6:10pm
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Rafter, nice Mid-range. It is a later Model with that pistol grip cap. The earier ones had an "S" curve on the bottom of the grip. Mine is like that with a 4 didgit serial #. As to brass. Consider trying to find some of the new .405 brass now available. It is the right shape and is either the right length or a little long. RCBS makes dies for the 40-70 SS . When I bought mine it came with a smogasbord of brass. Some original UMC, some .405, and 40-72 winchester. The guy I bought it from had bought it when he was 19 and I bought it from him when he was 84. He was not shooting much in the last 4 years of his life but he shot it heavily for 60+ years. The bore is still bright and sharp. The serial numbers on the Rifle are also on the sights. Check yours. They are stamped very small. On the side of the bottom pivot on the rear. And on the base for the front windgage. It has been a very accurate Rifle. I have many groups shot by the old timer from rest at 100 yds that can be covered with a quarter. Congradulations on a fine aquisition. Regards, FITZ. P.S. Check the rim thickness. The rim counterbore on original sharps rifles tends to be deep or thick, but it has a rounded corner. 30-40 Krag brass tends to be thin. Look closely at yours and you will see what I mean. FITZ.
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 6:30pm
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westerner wrote on Oct 9th, 2006 at 5:26pm:
Harry, have you broached the blind section for your breechblock yet? I saw the pictures you posted. Looks great!     Joe.


Hello Joe,
I'm plucking up the courage to do so soon, That's a deep slot. 1.5" deep at the front end to be precise, and your likely to be scalped by the mill if you try and see whats going on. There's five seperate milling actions to be performed to make that slot, before going onto the shaper to take it to finished size, and square off the back end. 

Thanks for the compliment, it's very much appreciated.

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Reply #8 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 7:35pm
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You have a shaper, you lucky dog. It'll be a piece of cake.  I'm going away for a couple months, so wont be able to harasse Martini owners. I think I probly got caught up on that the last couple of days. I have a lot of fun reading all the posts. take care.     Joe.
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 10:41pm
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Beautiful old Sharps Rafter! Makes me want one even more than I already did! I use .405 Hornady brass to make mine for my RB Sporter.
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 9th, 2006 at 11:11pm
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thanks guys Wink

to answer some questions 

no I have not chamber cast the barrel it is marked 2 1/4 on the left side and you can see the bottle neck taper in the chamber

fitz. thanks for the good advise and you are right its a 16,xxx so yes its a later one and i will take under advisement the counter bore thing i know what you are talking about there is quite a ledge in there

but what confuses me you guys talk about 405 win. is a case that would work but byron and i ruled aginst it if it was a strait 40/70 that is what you need but I have a 40/70 BN. am I mistaken??is the info we read wrong??? the bore slugs at .406

if 405 does work i will still opt. for a headstamp if possible because i have a 405/1895 win. and with all the "we'll just make it" cases we have floating around down there. well need less to say I am going to try and find a headstamp if poss.

as far as the dies we are going to try to use my 40/65 win. dies to get by  is this possible?? we think it should work or do i need to step up and get the high dollar dies??

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PS Byron and I liked the hammerless will never catch on comment we both had a good laugh at that one!
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Re: 1878 Sharps purchased last summer.
Reply #11 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 8:33am
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If your looking for 405 brass Steve Durren at Johnsons Sporting Goods have a bunch of the Hornady. I am using it in my 40-70 and it works great. You can contact him as Buchenmacher on this site.

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Reply #12 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 8:53am
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Sorry guys, but if the man has a 40-70 BN, he won't be able to use any of those - all those options are for 40-70 straight.  Nice round though...
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 8:59am
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I know its a 40/70 BN and I think the only option i have is to crunch down 45/90s or just order from Buffalo arms

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Reply #14 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 2:04pm
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Rafter,

Take it from someone with a soft spot for BN BP cases, you aren't giving up anything...  The round had a serious rep for accuracy, and the rifle will be capable of it - just don't use straight-case reloading logic, and you'll be fine.  Nothing wrong with reforming 45-90 either - just a simple pass i nthe sizeer.  I know, I reformed 24-gauge shotgun brass to 577-450 in a single pass...  Just anneal well, that's all!
  
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