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Sep 10th, 2006 at 1:15am
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Now that Charles Dell is no longer with us, where do we get a copy of his book?

  

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Re: The Modern Schuetzen Rifle
Reply #1 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 8:42am
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You can get a copy by contacting Laurie Gapko in his role as Bookshelf editor. We still have a number of copies. For anyone new to schuetzen this is a must have book. Hint Christmas is comming get yourself a present.

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Reply #2 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 9:06am
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The Modern Schuetzen Rifle is $60.00 shipped via media mail. Contact me at secretary@assra.com.
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Reply #3 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 11:52am
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What is in the second volume of this that is not in the first?
  
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Re: The Modern Schuetzen Rifle
Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 4:45pm
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Andy, If you have the first edition, you have most of the main content, but when it became obvious that the extant number of copies would not be sufficient to serve the community several of us prevailed upon Charlie to re-release it.  He completely reread and reproofed the chapters he wrote for the original and even went through Wayne's chapters for obvious typos, etc.  I know he did add some more content in his chapters to include the results of research that he had done and was doing up until he sent the finals off to the printer.  In most cases Charlie's chapters were completely reset, but the same conversational tone was kept and no significant info from the first was eliminated.

Is there enough stuff in there to make it worth buying the second edition if you already have the first?  I can't answer that for you, but I will say that I have both editions and for whatever reason go to the second for my reference, but that's just me.  It might be worth you while to look over a copy of the 2nd with an eye toward differences, that's what I would probably do, given the opportunity.

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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 7:35pm
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I have the 2nd edition but have never seen the first.  It is a wonderful book.  Full of information, observations and personal vignettes that make it  a delight to read and a wonderful reference.  It also has little mysteries for a newcomer.  There are several references in the lube sections about measuring lube hardness but nothing to indicate with what or how or what it might all mean.  I would love to know more.  The reference to Charlie Dell's lube pump leads me to think the first edition had an illustration that no longer is present.  I would dearly love to see it.  There was an indication that just maybe there was some information about making lead sterate for lubes but it isn't there.  There are other such tantalizing hints that leave me wanting to know more. I love the book and would be delighted if anyone could shed some light on the various little mysteries it contains.  I'm sorry I never go to meet Mr. Dell.  The world has too few of his type.

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Reply #6 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 9:07pm
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Jerry,

    I don't think those references were any more completely explained in the first edition than in the second...Charlie left some of the chemistry to the end user it seems.  Any good high school or college chemsitry teacher can help you out or if you need personal assistance, please feel free to contact me directly through a PM  I'm not a chemist, but I sometimes played one at the high school I retired from several years ago.   Wink

    Meanwhile, as to the design and image of Charlie's adaptation of the old Pope style lube pump, I don't remember EVER seeing one in print.  Perhaps DWS would like to have me do a short article on them sometime and at the very least I would be happy to send a couple of digital pix to anyone who asks for same via PM, only please give me a direct email address so we don't clutter up the ASSRA website bandwidth.   Cheesy

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Reply #7 - Sep 11th, 2006 at 9:35am
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Froggie (is that Hyla or Rana?)
Thanks for the reply.  I suspect I could figure out the chemistry of lead sterate.  I'm more interested for knowledge sake than to actually try it.  I'm a little dubious about introducing a lead compound that can emulsify with water into the environment.  At least the lead bullets are reasonably stable.  As for the lube pump, I will send my address.  I would like to see the particulars of the design.  Any idea of how he measured the hardness of his lubes and what, if anything, he learned from the exercise?

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Re: The Modern Schuetzen Rifle
Reply #8 - Sep 11th, 2006 at 10:51am
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Jerry,

    I'll gladly send you a picture or two of the lube pump and its components.  Over the years I have acquired 3, so I can show a variety of parts, etc.

    As to the hardness of the various lubes he used, I think Charlie was more intuitive than scientific about that particular aspect.  He wanted a lube hard enough to not run or drip off the bullet, but still soft enough to be run through the lube pump with a reasonable amount of effort.  The scientific aspect of his research was with the results, both on the target and in the bore.

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Reply #9 - Sep 11th, 2006 at 1:02pm
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Thanks Gents for the post about the book. I am sharing my book with the South Africans and they wanted to know where to get one of there own.

Why don't you just post the pictures of the elusive lube pump right here onthe boards...you don't know how many time I have went to the book when some mentions that it's in the book...
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 12:28pm
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fallingblock wrote on Sep 10th, 2006 at 9:06am:
The Modern Schuetzen Rifle is $60.00 shipped via media mail. Contact me at secretary@assra.com.
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Is payment by credit card available?
  

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Re: The Modern Schuetzen Rifle
Reply #11 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 2:42pm
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To all,
Sorry have no way to do credit cards. Payment via personel check is fine.
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Re: The Modern Schuetzen Rifle
Reply #12 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 11:57pm
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Thanks Laurie, I am  in South Africa. Of the 17 books I brought with me down , this is the only one that is not Martini Oriented.  I have shown this book to shooters down here and the are in awe.  

And now they want a copy. I got mine from Mr. Dell so it's not for sale, although I saw a couple of Martini's that might have made  good trading stock if they had something to boot.

What happens when current supplies of the book run out?
  

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