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Moose hunting with the Zimmerstutzen
Aug 30th, 2006 at 7:44pm
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Has anyone succesfully taken moose with a zimmerstutzen rifle? or a bbgun? How would one go about it ?  Just curious.   Joe.
  

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Re: Moose hunting with the Zimmerstutzen
Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 9:16pm
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Moose or mouse?
  
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Re: Moose hunting with the Zimmerstutzen
Reply #2 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 9:42pm
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I think a moose hunt with a zimmerstutzen would probably begin with a sleeping pill.  Only in your dreams!!  By its very nature, the Z/S is low pressure and shallow penetration.  The most you could do to a moose is hit him in the nose or ear and get him irritated...and since you would have to be in such short range to even get the parlor rifle round to reach him, you would have a real good chance being turned into toe jam for a PO'd moose!   Shocked

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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 9:43pm
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Please pardon my ignorance and enlighten me.  Just what is a Zimmerstutzen or is it Zimmerschuetzen?  A term I see from time to time but don't know.   

I've hunted moose with a .54 roundball, so far as I'm concerned anything in that ballpark and up will suffice.  Didn't shoot a moose however, so I can't really say it would have worked, but I don't have any doubts either.

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Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 10:13pm
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FWIW, 'stutzen' is the UK term for a rifle with a full-length forearm, i.e. what we in the US would call a Mannlicher style stock.

Also FWIW, supposedly the record for a Canadian Grizzly was held for a number of years by a 10-year-old (at that tiime) Native American girl using a 22 Short RF. The story goes that she & her little sister were out gathering whatever folks like that were wont to gather, when they sat down to doze under a tree for a while. The girl said that when she woke up, the bear was "just there" about 30 ft away & crossing in front of her, apparently unaware or uncaring of any scent. She merely raised the rifle, aimed for the ear & pulled the trigger. Dead bear, happy girls, end of story. Anyway that's the way I remember it.

I admit that ain't a moose with a parlor rifle, but that level of pucker factor will do for me 'til I hear sumthin better!
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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 11:58pm
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How would one go about it?
Simple!  Locate a Moose. Wrestle said moose to the ground. Take ZimmerStutzen rifle, insert muzzle as far up the moose's nostril as you can (probably best to remove the front sight first), and pull the trigger.



(I said SIMPLE, not EASY!)   Grin


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Re: Moose hunting with the Zimmerstutzen
Reply #6 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 3:57am
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Yes Schutzenbob, moose. It has been done with a bbgun. Was wondering if anyone had done it with a Zimmerschutzen. I can never get the spelling right. Its getting close to hunting and my mind just wandered in that direction. I dont know why. Sometimes it does that when i'm trying to get through a precision shooting article. Joe.
  

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Re: Moose hunting with the Zimmerstutzen
Reply #7 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 11:34am
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Everybody is pulling your leg. Here is how the true big game zimmerschuetzen hunters did it in the old days. 
First find a moose trail that shows fresh sign. Then climb a tree along that trail. Wait untill the trophy size moose walks under your tree. Now quickly jump down on his back and beat the moose to death with the zimmerschuetzen. Tomarrow we will discuss skinning the moose with a Swiss Army knife.

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Reply #8 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 3:06pm
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I was working with a fellow who grew up in Alaska. One dayAt lunch we started talking about moose hunting. We didnt know Dave was from Alaska. Of coarse the subject of caliber came up, Dave rolled his eyes. I asked him what was wrong? He blurted out, you dont need no damned 338 to kill a moose! You can kill one with a bbgun. We laughed. A couple days later I couldnt stand it. I asked him, ok, how do you kill a moose with a bbgun? He said when he was a kid , he and his little brother killed lots of moose with a bbgun. How I asked. He said you hide in the bushes next to a pond where you know a moose will feed in. When a bull moose shows up and he's in the pond you wait till he's pointing away from you . Then sneak up close as close as you can. He said bb placement is the key here. Aim directly for the b_ _ _ s. When the moose has his head in the water you shoot. This causes him to hump up and suck air, but since his head is under water he drowns. Thats how you kill moose with a bbgun.  I think dave was yarnin me but as he was quite old I didnt dare doubt an elder. Id like to try it with a zimmershootzen.    Joe.
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 3:11pm
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I'm still breathlessly awaiting a definition for zimmerschuetzen.  I'm thinking it must be a small caliber muzzleloader propelled by flatuence...

Joe, I think your buddy's method just might work. Let us know how it goes.

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Re: Moose hunting with the Zimmerstutzen
Reply #10 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 4:25pm
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Sorry to ignore you Brent. The zimmerscheutzen was made just like all the popular german target rifles of the time. They have a mechanizm on the barrel for shooting a lead pellet using  a little case like a cb cap. I'm sure youve seen one before. They were a parlor rifle  for indoor practice or competition. I dont have one , so will need to barrow one or buy one. I'd hate to have to buy one to kill one moose though. Could always sell it after the hunt. American versions are quite rare i'm told. I think I saw something in one of the recent black powder news magazines, about two fellows shooting zimmers. I dont know what kind of velocity they create. I'd think them at least to have as much range or more than a Redrider. If not im not gonna try it. Id want some serious stinging power.  Joe.
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 10:14pm
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The correct name is Zimmerstutzen.  It is a particularly fancy, short range parlor rifle built like a high quality Schuetzen.  Pretty much as described by Westerner.  Click on the url to see one.

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Reply #12 - Sep 1st, 2006 at 8:01am
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Thanks Jerry, looks like the perfect upgrade from dry firing at the TV.

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Re: Moose hunting with the Zimmerstutzen
Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2006 at 5:16pm
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Brent;
The literal translation from German of the term "Zimmerstutzen" is "Room Rifle" (Zimmer is German for "Room" and Stutzen is "Rifle").

"Parlour rifle" is heard more (here) however. I prefer "Room Rifle" Roll Eyes.

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