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What Is Your Method Of Benchrest?
Aug 20th, 2006 at 6:34pm
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I have recently aquired a Ballard off-hand style Schuetzen rifle with a palm rest and hooked butplate. What is the method used to shoot these style rifles off of a bench as it seems very difficult to get a good comfortable position behind it? Am I missing something or is there a trick to it? Is it even possible to do so or should I regulate it to off-hand only? Thanks in advance.
  

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Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2006 at 8:14pm
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You're right... these sort of rifles are just NOT made to be shot from the bench!
Lots of folks do it, and lots of folks are way better at it than I am... but they're NOT made for it. They're MADE for shooting standing.

Test from the bench if you must, but give your rifle what it desires; being shot from the hind legs.

Just my opinion, of course Cheesy

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Reply #2 - Aug 20th, 2006 at 9:17pm
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Flatlander,
Well I have been reasonably successful shooting an original High Wall as well as a CPA and home built Ruger#1 all in Schuetzen style stocks from the bench.  It takes a high front rest and very careful technique. It is not easy but it can be done and is very satisfying when it works. It also allows one to have rifles that are good for either bench or offhand.
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Reply #3 - Aug 20th, 2006 at 10:21pm
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As fallingblock said, a high front rest is required. I'll add to that by recommending a 2x6x6 block of wood under your rear bag. This gets the rifle butt up off the bench so your arm will fit in the buttplate. Keep adjusting and you'll get a comfortable position. The biggest aggrevation for me is when the rifle flops over and scares the crap out of me. Some people make a wide forestock to keep the rifle on the bags. Then change it for offhand. Some club rules may not allow that. I used to remove the palm rest when shooting bench. I found it makes no difference,so leave it on. some people remove the buttplate.  I remember when a rifle fell off a bench at a Coors match in Golden. Messed it up pretty bad. You'd thought someone had a heartattack and died. Then I was at a match where an old shooter did have a heartattack, the match went on, shooters looking over once in a while to see how the CPR was going. Go figger.     Joe
  

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Yep. A high adjustable front rest with a good leather bag and applied talcum powder (baby powder) to allow the rifle to recoil straight and not hang up on the bag. A good solid heavy rear bag high enough so that you can address the rifle without discomfort. I suggest removing a palm rest for bench shooting as that area is where my left arm sits on the bench top (right handed shooter) I am about 90 degrees from the axis of the stock-barrel line and rest both elbows on the bench top.  Looking down the sight path (scope or Iron) almost over my left shoulder. My left hand along the far side of the stock and controling the rear sand bag. This allows for a comfortable shooting position, allows you to use a spotting scope even when using a scope on the rifle. Yes, there is a need for it as I back the spotting scope off from the target so as to watch the wind direction, change, etc.
I was there at Golden Col. Coor's match when the rifle fell off the bench. The owner has since passed on. It was a real nice Hi-Wall in .32-40. The stock recieved many small cup marks (digs) as there were spent primers all over the concrete. The stock cleaned up ok after he got home.  Didn't hurt anything else except his pride. There are several rear bugs with high ears to help prevent this occurance. 
Bench shooting can be a lot of fun with the right set-up.  Good Luck and Have Fun,  4227
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 7:55am
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Some times I need to shoot my offhand rifles off a bench when testing new loads and components.

I have had so-so resuts with a very high front rest.  I added a long screw to a 2nd platform on one of the simple Protector rest. Resting the muzzle with the buttplate in my Shoulder and elbows on the bench it's possable to get some consistency.  If you look at the old pictures of Schuetzens being shot bench rest you will get the idea "Muzzle and elbow rest"

The weak point is the barrel to front bag  connection. It's possable to hold the butt end of the rifle about as well as off a bag.   Old timers used Sleds bolted onto the barrel to keep the rifle from Twisting on recoil and I suspect thats required .

Even with this high front rest I think the positon inconsistency hides group size changes. I can tell when something is peforming very poor but small changes and improvements are not possable to see.

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Reply #6 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 8:42am
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One of the reasons I posted my note in the gunsmithing forum about using bolts to fasten a buttplate was because it would allow me to change from a schuetzen plate to a more normal plate anytime I want without wearing out the screw holes.   

You might consider making a second buttplate if you are going to shoot this off a bench a lot.  It will not solve all the problems but it will make it a bit easier.   

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Reply #7 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 8:44am
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Here is my bench method with traditionaly shaped stocks. Lets start at the front. Rest the barrel on the bag just in front of the forend. This will require that the rest be tall adding spacers to the bottom legs is one method that works well. Use a low rear bag that is still tall enough to keep the bottom prong of your butt plate off the bench. Place the butt on the bag at the place where the stock is the flatest. use a brick bag to keep your elbow up and your arm as stright as possible, recoil and the prong butt plate will twist the rifle when it is shot. Lastly the recoil must be contained with a non benchrest style stock. 

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Reply #8 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 11:33am
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The ultimate answer is of course to have a separate appropriately stocked bench rifle.  As if we needed an excuse to ...  If you must shoot a rifle with a dedicated offhand stock off the bench, the obvious answer is to raise it.  This can be a problem because most good rests are designed to keep the rifle fairly low.  If you will look at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) (at the bottom of the products page) you will find a rest with two inch risers on the legs.  Although it is not obvious from the web page, these (the risers) are available separately.  I have a set on a Hart rest.  They will want to know the screw size and pitch of your leg screws when you contact them.  If you have a traditional forearm you will want the narrowest bag available, most benchrest suppliers like Hart or Sinclair carry three widths.  It might also help to have one of the newer rest tops which can be made to squeeze the front bag a bit.  Depending on the rifle, you may also need to flip the rest front to back (one leg forward, two back) so that you don't bang the lever.  Put something that won't move under the rear bag and carry on!
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 3:01pm
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The biggest issue with shooting an offhand stocked rifle off the bench is the height you have to get to clear the lever and butt prongs.  In addition the thin almost blade-like schuetzen stocks and forends make the gun real "tippy" once you have it up on the rest and rear bag. This instability makes maintaining proper repetetive benchrest form a real challenge.  The ideal solution is of course a second set of wood designed for benchrest shooting.

For most rifles making a simple square sided and flatbottomed forend is a relatively simple matter, it is the butt that presents the biggest problem.

As an alternative to a dedicated butt for benchrest shooting, a number of the guys who shoot regularly at Etna Green have made grooved wooden adaptors that attach to the bottom of the butt that allow a wider flatter contact with the real bag.  it can be a simple as a hogged out section of 2x4 hardwood with an angled slot that the butt fits into with the bottom flat to the bench.  Then it is glas-bedded to the stock (with plenty of release agent) to give a good fit.

It can be attached with screws as some have done on a stock that is already buggered up. But if you have a nice offhand butt that you don't want to put holes in; it can be attached just as well by putting a little powdered rosin in the groove and then tapeing it in place with good quality packaging tape.  The forend on my 38-55 highwall has been taped to the barrel for a couple of years now--someday I really ought to finish it
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 8:56pm
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BEN AND KEN DISCUSS PROPER METHODS OF HOLDING BENCH RIFLES. NOTICE THAT BEN IS NOT ALLOWED TO HOLD A RIFLE AND SITS THERE UNDER SUPERVISION. KEN HAS A REALLY NICE GUN ROOM BUT WON'T LET ME FOOL WITH ANY OF THEM. Grin Grin Grin Grin

  
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Reply #11 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 2:53am
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I dig them slippers, I'm gonna get me some tomorrow.   Joe.
  

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Reply #12 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 10:36am
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I keep the temp. low in the shop as I work with a couple of hot 150 watt bulbs within 12 -16" of the work and my head. The floor of course gets a mite cool so I use the slippers the wife bought me.  During the summer, I just go barefooted and wear bermuda shorts --- what a sight --- as comfort while you engr. is a must. Since this picture was taken last winter, I have added two 17 gun rotary gun racks which are now full  and another "My" gun should arrive soon. This doesn't even include my new Borchardt and Wesson rifles.  I only keep buying guns to keep them out of the hands of criminals --- it works too -----   when was the last time you heard of a drive by shooting with a single shot of any kind ???   Roll Eyes     Ken
  
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Ken tell me you didn't have those slippers on when we went out to eat with Tim. regards,ben.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 11:10pm
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Buying guns to keep them out of the hands of criminals. Yes, this is good! A civic duty I'd say. You Ken, are a civic leader. I too have been doing my duty.  Rotary gun racks,  I hadnt thought of that. Hmmm.   Joe.
  

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