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Query on Winchester M.85
Jul 6th, 2006 at 12:06am
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Recently purchased one,low wall, 1917, made in .22LR
Plain Jane with no finnish but an excellent bore
When I took it down the extractor and the spring that holds the lever shut dropped out
Now the extractor went in no trouble but I am not sure about the spring and its cap
I presumed it would have the cap facing out but it did not seem to work, so at the moment the cap is in the bottom of the hole and the spring is facing out, it works fine but is this correct I am inclined to think it is not 
This was the first time taking one of these down and I wa struggling to get it all back together, I am sure next time now that I know I will be to reassemble it it will be easier
In anticipation thank you
Ray from down under in NZ
  
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Re: Query on Winchester M.85
Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2006 at 12:15pm
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Ray, 

     I feel your pain.  All of the coil spring and especially the rimfire coil spring 'walls are a bit challenging to reassemble properly.  What I do when circumstances allow is put the rifle upside down in a padded vise with the butt end slightly higher than the muzzle.  I then start the block/hammer/lever assembly into place and use that to guide the extractor in.  With these parts still a little out of their final place, I put in the lever spring and its cap (which does go to the outside with curved face bearing against the lever) and gently wiggle everything into place.  It is sometimes helpful to use a properly sized phillips head screwdriver or drift pin in the lever pin hole to do the final alignment.  I then pop in the lever pin and replace the little setscrew that retains it.  By then I am tired of messing with it and glad to be done!!   Wink

     Now, all of this being said, I am trying to convert to flat spring actions whereever practical and just have a coil spring low-wall .22 and take-down high-wall (of course) in my long term plans...I'll build the rest on flat springs.   The coil springs work well and seem to last about forever, but they are just too much of a pain for me to mess with.  Cool

     For those of you with the Japanese made High-walls marketed by Browning or Winchester, ignore all of the above because the action is entirely different and I don't have the faintest idea how to make reassembly of that one easy!!   Shocked

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Re: Query on Winchester M.85
Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2006 at 4:59pm
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Thank you Green-Frog
A little early in our acquaintence for me to call you Froggy but it may come
I did find reassembling it a b****h ...a bit awkward and I am used to the big military martinis that can be very daunting, the GP Greener being impossible
Next time I will do it correctly I was just so glad I got the lever pin in place that I left it as it was even though it did not seemed to defy logic swith the cap being down
The fly that stops it fully cocking is not working correctly so I have to go in there again!!
I do, as a new boy, say I love this site as I collect (amongst others) single shots and there is a powerful amount of expertise here
Ray

  
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Re: Query on Winchester M.85
Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2006 at 5:37am
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Ray,

Big military Martini's are easy compared to the GP  (as you can easily pop the breechblock in/out from the top) - but with a strict order of reassembly respected, even the GP can be put back together without the use of too many 4-letter words.  Deviate in any way from the normal order, and you're in deep xxxx, and had better restart the entire process...  Ask me how I know  Embarrassed
  
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Re: Query on Winchester M.85
Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2006 at 1:17am
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Agree about the GP MartiniBelgium, it is just the first time that is so hard/ worrying in that you think you know how to do it and it just will not fit
I took out the barrel (it is take down) in desperation now I start up side down and put in the breech block and then the trigger unit
Hopefully the Low wall will be easier the second time but you will note I am procrastinating on doing it
Ray
PS MartiniBelgium there is a rumour in New Zealand that you are a wine importer...true/false
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 15th, 2006 at 2:24am
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here in va i think it is MARTINIS. regards,ben.
  
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Oh my god!
Reply #6 - Jul 15th, 2006 at 2:16pm
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My reputation has already reached the shores of NZ?!  't is true that I am a wine importer, may I ask how you know?
As to GP reassembly, taking out the barrel is a good step.  My 'normal' method is as follows.
1. Insert breechblock and extractor (my breechblock has very tight headspacing, so I need to put in the extractor at the same time), and make sure the blockis in the closed position.
2. With the action upside down, drop in the sear lever
3. Now - this is the tricky bit - drop in lever + trigger guard, and insert the main pivot pin (the one through the lever/sear lever) with all holes aligned, if need be use a slave pin to line all components up, and make sure that the rifle is uncocked for the next step
4. (you will need 3 hands) while pulling the trigger, push home the front of the trigger guard against spring pressure.  While holding the trigger guard against the receiver, line up the extractor and insert the extractor screw - and it is back together....
5.  Insert the safety, taking care not to lose the spring + plunger - the rifle needs to be cocked to do this...
6. Take a cool bottle of wine out of the fridge (maybe some NZ sauvingon blanc??), sit in a lazy chair, and congratulate yourself on a difficult job well done  Wink
7. Sip the glass of wine

Of course, 6 and 7 are optional, but well-deserved after finishing that tough job...
  
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Re: Query on Winchester M.85
Reply #7 - Jul 15th, 2006 at 3:56pm
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MartiniBelgian:

All that great Belgian beer and you're a wine guy???!!!?  I'm shocked, shocked to find this glaring character flaw in a man I held in such high esteem.

'Tis a sad day indeed.

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Re: Query on Winchester M.85
Reply #8 - Jul 15th, 2006 at 6:11pm
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Glenn,
Easy to explain - when you're surrounded by good beer, it is no challenge to get good stuff, you just go to the shop around the corner or the next  closest bar, and have a decent beer, even the trappist ales.  OTOH, good wine is MUCH harder to get here, so...

I'll gladly drink a Chimay Blue to your health! (one of my favourites, only to be beaten by Westvleteren Trappist ale, but I'm afraid that one won't be available in the US.)
Alternatively, you could come to the Imperial meeting at Bisley, where I have been known to bring along lots of Belgian beer for local consumption (Actually one of my ploys to get the others drunk, so that I have more chances of winning some matches  Smiley  )
  
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Re: Query on Winchester M.85
Reply #9 - Jul 16th, 2006 at 3:44pm
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Second time it was almost easy to re assemble the M.85 
Knowing it would go back in and the use of a set of pin drivers helped

MartiniBelgium, you being a wine importer was just mentioned in passing, my son is a wine maker so the information stuck
He was assistant wine maker for Felton Road (his 05 Pinot Noir is said to be very good) and he is now The wine maker for Rockburn so the '06 should be an improvement...good excuse to come out to NZ MartinB.....lots of Martinis that is for sure...and beer
Ray in NZ
  
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