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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4160 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #15 - May 25^th, 2010 at 8:43am	Print Post
	When Charlie Dell was alive and making his lube pumps, he made all of his inserts with the same small size pilot hole, which was just big enough for the head of his ejector rod to pass through. Then, regardless of the size of the bullet chamber itself, the rod worked with whatever insert was installed in the pump. Once, as a training exercise, he gave me a long length of aluminum rod and put me to work on the lathe in his shop making blank inserts, and the first step was to bore that pilot hole, so I am pretty confident of what I'm saying here! Froggie


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creedmoormatch Ex Member	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #16 - May 25^th, 2010 at 11:16am	Print Post
	Green Frog - - - Was Brushy Mountain Charlie Dell's " home range "? And if so, was he then the schuetzenmeister for the matches before you ? I just enjoy knowing the history of things around me, don't you know ! C.M.M.


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4160 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #17 - May 26^th, 2010 at 5:53pm	Print Post
	No, Charlie had a farm property near Blacksburg, VA. There was a range with about 4 positions (if everyone was friendly with everyone) that went out to 200 yds. That was the "real" Chinquapin range, but was lost to us with his passing. The opportunity to continue in the tradition Charlie started here in VA came with the building of the range at the Brushy Mtn Club, and we have been there for the last 3 years, with the shoot in 4 weeks making the 4th June match at this venue. See ya there! Froggie


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Reg Full Member Offline Posts: 180 Location: Wray Colorado Joined: Apr 28^th, 2009	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #18 - May 27^th, 2010 at 11:17am	Print Post
	Would it be possible to get a picture or a little more information on the piston that would fit in the bore of the pump. Is it also sealed with "O" rings ? What is the dia. and pitch of the threaded pressure shaft ? Is there some kind of bearing surface on the part of the piston where the shaft puts pressure on it ? Would it be hardened--- have several hardened washers on it ? Sorry for all the questions but have wanted to make one for some time and would rather get it right the first time. Thanks Reg


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digitall423 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 747 Location: Mexico Beach, FL Joined: Aug 5^th, 2005	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #19 - May 28^th, 2010 at 6:38am	Print Post
	The piston on mine, that was made by "Singleshot", was made of ,I think, grey PVC. it developed a crack so I made one from nylon. It is shaped like a cup in a wheel cylinder except beefier. I don't recall if there was a back-up washer but that would certainly be a good idea. The screw is made from 1/2 inch material with about 20 TPI. It threads through a piece of brass.


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singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline I love singleshots! Posts: 343 Location: Fort Mill, SC Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #20 - May 28^th, 2010 at 7:23am	Print Post
	Charlie and I made/make the pistons out of PVC, delrin or nylon is also suitable. Charlie ground spacer washers to fit between the piston and the (1/2-20) screw as an adjusment for minimal end play, I have been using a 5/16 id o-ring as it seems to have less leakage that way. I have eperimented with o-rings used as a gland also, and that will also work, but the o-rings tend to blow out as there is pretty extreme pressure in the system, believe it or not. I try to keep the fit between the ejector rod and the head at no more than .002" clearance, as it can quickly get very sloppy as Webb conjectured. Willis

	Willis Gregory, aka singleshot
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creedmoormatch Ex Member	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #21 - May 28^th, 2010 at 4:54pm	Print Post
	Willis --- Is that .001" on each side for a total of .002" larger diameter hole over rod ? Webb


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singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline I love singleshots! Posts: 343 Location: Fort Mill, SC Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #22 - May 28^th, 2010 at 9:40pm	Print Post
	Webb- .001/.002" larger hole than rod diameter. I drill them at .156" (5/32") and shoot for a .155" rod diameter. Also the right size to thread 10-32 for the "top hat" cap. Willis

	Willis Gregory, aka singleshot
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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2306 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #23 - Jun 1^st, 2010 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	My version of Charlie Dell's lube pump made from brass plumbing pipe. Leather was used for the piston. A big thank you to Willis (Singleshot) for all the help. It seems to work very well (no leaks). If anyone is considering something similar, be aware that plumbing pipe is neither straight, round, nor concentric, so expect issues. Chuck


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creedmoormatch Ex Member	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #24 - Jul 17^th, 2010 at 2:20pm	Print Post
	These portable hand pumps are great to have. I've even seen one similar to Chuck's made entirely out of PVC pipe/fittings/valves obtainable from the plumbing department of the Lowe's or Home Depot stores. If, however, you prefer the historically correct version, I would have to agree that the nicest and most accurate to the original rendition is the one put out by Single Shot (Willis Gregory) in South Carolina, and may be purchased with the original formula Charlie Dell lube, if so desired. Creedmoormatch


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Joel Black Full Member Offline Posts: 165 Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2010	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #25 - Jul 17^th, 2010 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	The gentleman who owns Pope's NJ machinery lives about 10 miles from me. I will see if I can borrow a Pope lubricator from him to photograph.


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creedmoormatch Ex Member	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #26 - Jul 17^th, 2010 at 8:04pm	Print Post
	Joel, Would I be correct in assuming that you personally know the gentleman to which you refer ? What a resource you apparently have at your disposal. Would you feel comfortable informing the gentleman about the A.S.S.R.A. and inviting him to participate with us at this forum to the extent that he would care to do so ? I would understand that he may value his privacy in these matters, but on the other hand he well may welcome the opportunity to share whatever Harry M. Pope memorabilia he is in ownership of. At a minimum, I look forward to whatever photos you are able to acquire and share with us. Thanking you in advance, Creedmoormatch


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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2306 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #27 - Jul 17^th, 2010 at 11:06pm	Print Post
	Joel, I would second what Creed said. Photos would be most interesting. Chuck


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Joel Black Full Member Offline Posts: 165 Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2010	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #28 - Jul 18^th, 2010 at 9:32pm	Print Post
	I just spoke to him and I will be able to borrow an original Pope lubricator. If you can wait a week when I get back from KC, I'll be able to take some pictures of it. He told me he is aware of this site, but prefers to "lurk", just as I did until recently.
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creedmoormatch Ex Member	Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump. Reply #29 - Jul 19^th, 2010 at 7:06am	Print Post
	Joel Whether you be a Lurker or a Vocal, we're glad to have you and your friend among us. The more the merrier ! Hope you have a safe trip to Kansas, and we'll talk with you when you get back. Creedmoormatch


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