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Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Jun 26th, 2006 at 11:51pm
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Greetings Friends,

I've found a number of pictures of various Pope and other style pumps but all of them are assembled.

I'd like to make one myself... I can sorta figure out in my minds' eye how to construct such a beast but I would like to see one disasembled for more ideas. I'm not trying to copy any particular style, but just want to make something that will  be practical and function.

Could someone be kind enough to disasemble one and take a few photos? This would be a great project for us home shop mechinest/tinkerers!

Why buy one when I can make it myself:-)

Looking forward to your replies and discussion!

Darryl
  
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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #1 - Jun 27th, 2006 at 9:41am
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Darryl,  I now have all the pieces to make another (my third) pump on the Charlie Dell pattern.  As soon as I can get them all in one place I will try to take a photograph and post it.  I wish I could lay my hands on my repro of a Pope (made by Joe Ruth??) and post that one as well.  There are pix in the reloading tools book by Chamberlain and Quigley and the one by Kelver, but as you say, they are assembled and don't show what parts go together and how.  Undecided

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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #2 - Jun 27th, 2006 at 11:36pm
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Hey GF,

That would be great, looking forward to the pics! 

I found the schematics for a few newer lube/sizers online, but not really much help cuz it's not the style I want to build. 

I have a pic of C Dells' pump, looks like it was made of brass and aluminum, very nice. Could you give me a few details.... ie.... over all length, inside diameter of the lube reservoir, size of hole coming out of the reservoir into die.... anything else you think might help, would be great!

Oh ya, one more, I'm going to make my own lube/size dies; what size are the holes in those, how many and in what configuration are they laid out?

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Darryl

  
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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #3 - Jun 28th, 2006 at 8:47pm
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The luber body is 5" long and is ballsized to .625". The entry port into the head is 3/8". The die body is .745" and its cavity is .750", with O-rings sealing it (on the die).I drill the lube ports in the die with a #40 (.0980) simply because I have a large quantity of them! Charlies prefered material for the body and dies is 7075 aluminum, 6061 also works well. Delrin can also be useed for dies, but requires the lower O-ring to be sewt higher on the die for sufficient strength. The 7075/6061 allows it to be positioned .050" from the bottom of the die and Delrin needs .075-.100".



  
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Reply #4 - Jun 28th, 2006 at 11:43pm
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The brass head looks like it's from one of Pete Allan's castings.  I've got his address & phone # at work, will post it as soon as I can, unless someone beats me to it!   Cheesy

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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #5 - Jun 29th, 2006 at 11:25am
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I can bring a pump that I have almost finished to Etna Green next week. As well as an unknown pump that I have apart as well as some others including a Pope if some one wants to take some pictures. 
Please let me know if I should bpack them.
The head is from Pete Allen or from the same mould. 
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Reply #6 - Jun 29th, 2006 at 12:49pm
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For the raw castings, contact Pete Allan, Allan Foundry & Mfg., 10591 Nassau St. N.E., Blaine, MN 55449, phone (763) 786-2186.

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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #7 - Jun 29th, 2006 at 7:24pm
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The casting Pete has is great and I will be getting some from him as soon as my current supply is depleted (not long now!) He made a mold from a sample head and added length to it so a longer die could be used. Current dies are 1" long and have handled all I or Charlie needed so far, but it is a good option to have. I have Charlies fixturing but a four jaw chuck will allow machining the heads on a one off basis easily enough- they are undercut from 1/4" in to 3/4" in to allow the lube to flow easily and the dies also have a reduced section. Charlie made heads using solid brass stock soldered together for years and never had a joint failure reported. The heads I use now are aluminum bronze, as that is what Charlie was using at the last, but brass is just as good, I think.
  
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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #8 - Jun 30th, 2006 at 12:29am
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Great info and discussion guys, thanks much!

I hope for more internal pics of various pumps, that would be great; looking forward to them.

BTW, what does Pete charge for his castings and what is all included with them?

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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #9 - Jun 30th, 2006 at 11:56pm
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It's been about three years since I bought my castings from him, don't remember the price.  What you get is a wax casting, no parts, holes, threads, drawings or photos.  Mine are bored out to accept steel or aluminum bushings held in place with an O-ring and set screw.  You'll need a drill press and a lathe to finish the casting and make the reservoir, piston and reservoir cap.   

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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #10 - May 23rd, 2010 at 6:46pm
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    In the photo image shown above, the bullet ejection rod is shown in the retracted position, that is, in the up position.

    Several Questions;

        1)  Is there a coil spring utilized to keep the ejector rod retracted ( in the "up" position) as it is shown in the photo ?

       2)   When the ejector rod is used to eject the bullet down and out of the lube die using thumb pressure applied to the brass knob, what keeps the rod in alignment with the axis of the die ?

    Several Observations;

       1)  In order to be an effective one hand operated mechanism, would it not be beneficial to have the ejector rod retract it's self automatically after each use instead of just slipping up and then down as the tool is rotated 180 degrees in order to insert the next bullet, nose first in the respective die.

       2)  Unless the ejector rod is self-centering with the axis of the die bore, the operator will need to center the rod on to the nose of the bullet with his/her second hand each time a bullet is lubed.

     Your guidance and experience with the design and/or use of the tool would be greatly appreciated.

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Reply #11 - May 23rd, 2010 at 6:53pm
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     I have one further Question:

     Counting from the bottom and going up, there is the bullet to be lubed, next the lube die itself, and my question is what is the third piece up ( shown between the cast bronze head and the machined die ), and what is it's purpose ?

     Thanks again,

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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #12 - May 23rd, 2010 at 8:39pm
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The little disc is a tool to help remove the die from the body.  The ejector doesn't need a spring...once the tool's been used some, there will be lube everywhere, and the lube will keep the ejector in position, either up or down, until it's moved by hand....at least that's the way mine work.  It keeps it's alignment to the die cavity by how closely the ejector pin fits it's hole in the pump's body.

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Reply #13 - May 24th, 2010 at 6:39am
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     Thanks 38 CAL !

      If I understand you correctly, I believe what you are saying is;

     If the bullet ejector rod diameter is small and the hole, in which it slides in the arch part of the cast head, is large; then the pin will flop around at a 20 to 30 degree angle and will have to be manually aligned parallel to the die axis bore by the operator at each ejection stroke.

     Therefore, the pin and the hole need to be a " close " tolerance.

     Creedmoormatch

     
  
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Re: Making an old style Bullet Lube pump.
Reply #14 - May 24th, 2010 at 9:29pm
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     Thanks 38 CAL !

      If I understand you correctly, I believe what you are saying is;

     If the bullet ejector rod diameter is small and the hole, in which it slides in the arch part of the cast head, is large; then the pin will flop around at a 20 to 30 degree angle and will have to be manually aligned parallel to the die axis bore by the operator at each ejection stroke.

     Therefore, the pin and the hole need to be a " close " tolerance.

     Creedmoormatch

     

Yep.

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