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SHOOTING PELLETS WITH A PRIMER
Jun 10th, 2006 at 9:44pm
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I have a small challange. A martini cadet with a matchgrade barrel in 222R, A can of Benjamin 22cal. pellets. And a backyard full of tree rats.
I remember somewhere you could drive a pellet with a primer to respectable velocity. I think a pop bottle could contain the noise so the neighbor dosn't get to excited. Think I can breech seat the pellet lubed with Alox and drive it with a case converted to lg.rifle mag primer. Any ideas or suggestions.
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Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2006 at 11:30pm
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May be smarter to get a pellet rifle
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Reply #2 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 2:23am
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17 Hornady Mach 2 fired from in the room out the open sliding glass door...the neighbor never looked  up and the wife down stairs never said anything...Goes with out say watch your back stop...this case a stack of oak firewood was plenty.
  

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Reply #3 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 8:37am
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About 40 years ago had a *4 Rem. with a factory maxim silencer wish i had kept it. With std velocity lr all you could hear was the hammer fall. Got it from an old guy who lived in downtown Cincinnati who was shooting rats in the ally from his fire escape with it.
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Reply #4 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 3:39pm
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Two additional comments...
1) I believe Charlie Dell used a pellet setup to measure power of his rifle primers when he did that series of tests 5-6 years ago.  The barrel was only a few inches in length and the pellet still didn't achieve very much velocity.  I don't think you could get it to overcome the friction of traveling down a rifle barrel.  Maybe some of Charlie's regular visitors like leadball, singleshot or Dale53 remembers more about the setup???
2) I used a 3rd model Winder Musket (Winchester Low-wall) in .22 short a few years back and thought I was getting misfires until it dawned on me that I WAS hearing the ring of the bullet on the backstop.  That and the fall of the hammer were all I could hear indoors with muffs on...outside it was not significantly noticeable even without the muffs.  Are you SURE you want to do this with pellets??

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Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 5:31pm
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I have a 22  hornet case that has be drilled out so u can us a shotgun primer! A guy gave this to me have never used it, but he said it worked. Maybe the shotgun primer is the answer! Cool
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 10:07pm
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I've used a .223 Rem case drilled out for a 209 shotgun primer with a pellet and it worked out to 20yds. I could hit a pop can pretty regularly but much smaller and it was 50/50. I used it in a TCR 83.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 10:40pm
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Thanks
I think I will start with the shotgun primer in the 222 but i do have a 43 Winchester in 22hornet. I dont want to shoot shorts in the long rifle chamber which is why Im not using the martini with cb caps. I also have the lyman 225438 mold incase tree rat to tough for pellet. 
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Reply #8 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 11:43pm
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I use CB Longs in my LR chambers with pretty good results on the target and no chance of damaging anything. The sound of the bullet hitting the steel Outer's bullet trap is the loudest noise I hear, although the report itself is noticable.
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Reply #9 - Jun 12th, 2006 at 7:22pm
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Aguila Super Colibri ammo shoots pretty good out to 50ft or so. It is a LR case with a conical 20gr bullet propelled by primer only. Just be sure it clears your rifle barrel before popping the next one. I have heard they tend to stick in some barrels but they clear a 30" BSA martini barrel rifle of mine without fail. CCI makes CB longs too. A LR case with a short bullet and low powder charge.
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 12th, 2006 at 10:44pm
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     If you are going to use cb longs it is best to file the nose flat.  It gives much better preformance than the factory round nose.   
     I have observed others use pointed pellets to shot Starlings. When hit they squawk and flop aroung and make all sorts of fuss before expiring.  You hit them with a match flat nose and they just drop.
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 14th, 2006 at 4:53pm
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Regarding the distance a super colbrior, or however it is spelled, will shoot. Last year out of curiosity my cousin shot a few through his BSA International at a 100 yard .22 ASSRA target. he managed to get most of them on the paper! Of course they would almost have NO ft lbs of energy at that distance and should never be used that far on an animal of any kind, just thought it was interesting how accurate they can be.
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Reply #12 - Jun 15th, 2006 at 1:21am
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Regarding Charlie Dell's experiments with primers and pellets. His objective was to see if by varying the stiker impact, if that made a difference in ignition. He visualized chronographing the pellet - varying speeds would signify varying ignition. Well, the first thing that happened was the front end of the pellets blew out. Charlie was not easily dissuaded. He then made a mould and cast some solid pellets. This solved that problem but he learned that varying the striker hit did NOT vary the velocity of the pellet (totally contrary to expectations).

Short story - do NOT try to propel air rifle pellets by primers. Use an air rifle. It is better in every way (and it works!).

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Reply #13 - Jun 20th, 2006 at 4:58pm
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Charlie passed the primer tester to me some time ago. As other stated, the primers blew out the front of the pellets and often left the skirt in the bore, bottom line was it wasn't a good idea. We wound up swaging solid pellets. I think the  CB longs are the best idea, not much louder than a primer and they fit a LR chamber. The regular CB's are a poor choice unless you are using a rifle chambered for shorts.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 17th, 2006 at 12:40am
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For years I have controlled vermin in the back yard using a .22 revolver loaded with Crossman .22 pellets and primed .22 cases. The only noise is the hammer hitting the frame. I mostly kill racoons with this and it's quite effective. I have used the super colibri's but the heavier projectiles cut the velocity too much to work very well on the critters. The buddy who showed me this trick had been doing it for quite a while with a zimmer stuetzen that was a whole lot prettier than my revolver.
  
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