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Reply #15 - Apr 29th, 2006 at 1:09pm
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ASSR scores .22s to the leaded edge as well.
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Reply #16 - Apr 29th, 2006 at 4:22pm
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ASSRA scores offhand to leaded edges but bench matches are scored center of bullet hole!!!! Grin
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 29th, 2006 at 4:41pm
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Thanks Jim,
I was trying to find my rule book. I wanted to quote chapter and verse. I remember when the ISSA changed the rule.
  

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Reply #18 - Apr 29th, 2006 at 5:14pm
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  If you will look at the following web site pages for the Pine Ridge Rifle Club you'll see a few 250's and sub 25 ring scores and groups for the .22 under match conditions. Nothing real regular but the club members who specialize in .22 are the ones who'll do it.

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Reply #19 - Jun 10th, 2006 at 2:10pm
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Raton '05 ISSA Rimfire bench Cool

52 shooters, 260 10 shot groups, 3 250's

Guess none of those .65 moa guns were there.

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Re: Accuracy expectations for .22LR
Reply #20 - Jun 20th, 2006 at 5:08pm
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As has been mentioned on this forum before; the former Buddy Streat who shot at the Columbia Schuetzenverin was capable of shooting a 250 @ 200 yds with a RF. He did it often. I was privileged to watch him do it twice in one day and back it up with a 248. It was quite gusty also. Amazing to watch, I'm sure that club misses him.
  
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Re: Accuracy expectations for .22LR
Reply #21 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 12:10am
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The thread is so long I thought I would re-post my months old post

MP I bet a lot of people will not agree with my opinion but let me quote an expert.  Lones Wigger gave a seminar for NRA small  bore shooters and said, 
 
"If someone tells me he has a rifle that will shoot 1/2 inch groups at 100 meters I tell him to shoot it and I will give him 50 dollars" 
 
He goes on to say occasionally you will get a 10 shot group that small and 3 shot groups at 1/2 inch are not uncommon. However he said if you have a rifle that will shoot bench or machine rest .60 or .65 MOA you have a pretty good shooting rifle.  He has seen few that meet that standard. 
 
I have not seen anything posted that disproves Wiggers opinon of whats possable and likely.

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Reply #22 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 5:11am
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Re: Accuracy expectations for .22LR
Reply #23 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 10:55am
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Gents,

The original post  asked about SS rifles, not about Col. Wigger's 100 meter prone gun- a bolt action with a one piece stock and a tuner. I don't believe many prone shooters are using Ballards or even BSAs anymore. I would subscribe to the theory that a GREAT SS rimfire would stay under 1" cosistently, and from the scores being posted in the Journal, there aren't too many out there that meet that standard.

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Reply #24 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:10am
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What Boats said.

Anybody can post pictures of small groups and words about how well their rifles shoot. The proof of the pudding is in the competition, where all the BS stops.

A few small groups does not make an accurate rifle. It's the AVERAGE that counts in my mind, as well as the shape and distribution of the bell curve.

Kinda reminds me of the Pedersoli Challenge, where the object is to fire four consecutive 5-shot groups of less than 1 MOA with a legal BPCRS rifle. Many, many big-mouthed BPCRS shooters ranted about how 1 MOA was mere child's play and their rifles would shoot much better than that, etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseam. Many, many big brags made.

So far, in 4-5 years of trying, only two men have won the Challenge so far as I know.

I don't give a flip for big brag words or big braggers, look at the competition results and the equipment for an indication of what to expect.
What Boats said, good luck, Joe
  
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Re: Accuracy expectations for .22LR
Reply #25 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:13am
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Wapiti I think we are agreeing on the potential

Actualy Wigger was at a Smalbore sillouette seminar and he was taking about custom silouette rifles. They are hardly any different in design than a BR 50 or other match bench rimfire

I don't think it makes a lot of difference though, a custom bench set up Single Shot would not be at a disavantage aginst even the full on bench bolt guns. When I look at the rigs some of our guys are shooting now they give nothing up to one piece stocks or bolt actions. Tuners perhaps but not the barrel, action, sights, rest, or even the stock if it's well done. 

The limiting factor with a rim fire is ammunation and as you say a Great Single shot would stay under 1 moa.  and the fact that shooting a perfect score requires 3/4 MOA means it does not happen often.

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Reply #26 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:52am
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Cool AMEN!!!
  
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Reply #27 - Jul 6th, 2006 at 4:18am
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hi ho mp,

first of all let me say, "I LOVE 22'S"..

just got done re-reading the last 12 years of precision shooting mags. and only the articals about 22's..

the thinking of all 22 organizations lumped together is, to be competitive, a .400 to a .450 at 50 yds.is very good to excellent and should put you in the money once in  a while. 

  a .350 to .375 at 50yds. will put you in with the top of the heap..

imay sound easy, but remember, we are talking about consistant groups..

so..... to answer your question, you can expect groups of .350 t0 .450 at 50 yrds.. BUT!!!! you may come across a real hummer that will produce groups of .200 to .350. then, you can put every ones money in your pocket. Grin


good luck with your searce and .. ttfn .. grampa..
  
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Re: Accuracy expectations for .22LR
Reply #28 - Jul 6th, 2006 at 10:59am
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CoolGrandpa,
Schuetzen rimfire matches are fired at 100 yards with falling block rifles, 2 piece wood stocks, and seperate front and rear sandbag rests.

The only thing we can use that  like .22 BR shooters are the barrels and the ammo.

All the match results reading in the world isn't going to help when the Schuetzenmeister says "Commence Firing"- then it's only you,  the testing of all that $10 a box ammo and your ability to read the conditions!!!

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Reply #29 - Jul 6th, 2006 at 8:18pm
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greetings wapiti,,

you are absolutly keerect.. exept i use the xx method of picking ammo.. instead of buying a bunch of differnt ammo and trying it all.. i buy one box and try it in all my 22's untill i find the gun that likes that box.. Grin

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