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plumber Ex Member	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #15 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 3:27pm	Print Post
	PLEASE see my last post also could there be a name number under the front sight on the flat or on the back of action ? thoes are the only two places I havent looked Should I bother ? PLUMBER


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4064 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #16 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	Plumber, I think you have made it abundantly clear to all who are actually reading the whole thread that the barrel is unmarked. I would tend to discount its being a Pope-made or Stevens-installed barrel as they were usually well marked at time of building. Lots of people made high quality target rifles based on the very popular Marlin Ballard action. We can safely say that your example is one of those and that it probably dates from the "Golden Age" of single shots around the "gay nineties" or right after the turn of the last century. That lever is definitely in the style used by Pope, but he said he copied it from an older design used on European rifles of the percussion age. I've seen some such in Central Europe. Whatever else you can track down will be pure gravy on what is already a choice piece of ordnance. If it were mine, I would slug the bbl, measure the twist (regardless of direction ) and have one of the current mould makers make up a mould for a Pope style bullet of appropriate dimensions then enjoy shooting what is obiously a fine rifle! Congratulations. Froggie PS to Chris: I assume you caught on to the need in the listing to distinguish between the muzzle loading and breech seating versions of the competitors' rifles. I'm guessing that some owner of Plumber's rifle probably adapted his style to the latter (and later) technique and lost or discarded the false muzzle...more's the pity!


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MP Ex Member	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #17 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	I’m not sure there is more I can offer and I’m about out of ideas, most of the folks who could make a barrel with a false-muzzle marked their work. The case color looks like Stevens work to me, Niedner did very similar color but he marked everything he got his hands on. Someone may recognize the rifling if they had in their hand but hard to do long-distance. Regardless of who did the work it a swell looking rifle and needs to be shot. Like I said in my first post the missing parts (not the false-muzzle) are no big deal and easily fixed. Good luck and good shooting.


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MP Ex Member	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #18 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 5:52pm	Print Post
	Another thought, if the bottom of the pistol grip is checkered write me at mjpetrov@acsalaska.net.
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marlinguy Ex Member Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater!	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #19 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	I've seen several makes of singleshot rifle that were rebarreled or rebored and rifled by Stevens. Some were simply Stevens barrels fitted to the guns, and marked with the std. Stevens rollstamp. Others were marked "Stevens-Pope" just like the Stevens-Pope models made by Stevens. Barrels rebore or re-rifled by Stevens were so marked to indicate that Stevens did a rebore or re-rifle. That's a beautiful rifle, and regardless of who did the barrel or stock work, I'd enjoy it. It does have several unique features that would tend to indicate Stevens touches on it. It's possible it was a barreled action sent to Stevens for case coloring, stock work and fitting of the lever. That might explain why it has these Stevens style features, but not any markings.

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winplumber Participating Member Offline Posts: 13 Location: Ohio Joined: Mar 9^th, 2007	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #20 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	Well guys Im back ! I still have this rifle and haven't done much with it I would like to find the correct Pope style scope mounts and a vintage palm rest any help would be great. I know its been a long time my computer world has came back GLAD TO BE HERE !


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #21 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 6:23pm	Print Post
	winplumber wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 6:12pm: ...I would like to find the correct Pope style scope mounts Do you believe in miracles? Sorry to say, they are incredibly rare, and have never been reproduced, except for a handful made many yrs ago by Mike Stevens, now deceased.


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winplumber Participating Member Offline Posts: 13 Location: Ohio Joined: Mar 9^th, 2007	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #22 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 6:26pm	Print Post
	Cant hurt to try !


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16274 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #23 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:26pm	Print Post
	winplumber wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 6:12pm: Well guys Im back ! I still have this rifle and haven't done much with it I would like to find the correct Pope style scope mounts and a vintage palm rest any help would be great. I know its been a long time my computer world has came back GLAD TO BE HERE ! Beyond being extremely hard to find, they're also extremely expensive when they show up! The last pair of Pope mounts I saw sell at an auction was 20 years ago, and they sold for a whopping $2500!!! I have a pair on a Stevens scope mounted on my Zettler Bros. Ballard, and mine are mounted in even rarer Pope bases. Pope offered bases, but preferred the owners to send their barrels to him to have his cuts done on the barrel. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Have you been in contact with Max recently? Last I spoke with him he'd moved to the desert and had no phone or internet connection. Said he could check emails once in awhile by cell phone if conditions were right.

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winplumber Participating Member Offline Posts: 13 Location: Ohio Joined: Mar 9^th, 2007	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #24 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	No contact with Max, How can I tell if I need the Pope bases or the Pope mounts ?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16274 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #25 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:51pm	Print Post
	winplumber wrote on Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:46pm: No contact with Max, How can I tell if I need the Pope bases or the Pope mounts ? I thought you had the Pope cuts in your barrel, and that was why you wanted Pope style mounts? If your barrel doesn't have the two pairs of Pope cuts, then no reason to need Pope mounts. Not sure if you can make them out, but these are Pope cuts on the barrel of my Schoyen Ballard. On the side right below the scope bases. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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winplumber Participating Member Offline Posts: 13 Location: Ohio Joined: Mar 9^th, 2007	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #26 - Feb 25^th, 2018 at 9:58pm	Print Post
	Thank You ! I do have the cuts.You can make the rear cuts out on my picture of the frame and the other is on the barrel , So rings it is .


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16274 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #27 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 11:28am	Print Post
	I've been told by some people I consider very knowledgeable on things Pope related, that he likely made somewhere in the 50-60 sets of rings total! Most who have a pair have them on a rifle, and nobody would part with a pair without parting with a gun. But maybe you'll get extremely lucky and find a pair loose from their gun for sale?

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winplumber Participating Member Offline Posts: 13 Location: Ohio Joined: Mar 9^th, 2007	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #28 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 12:19pm	Print Post
	Thanks One never knows without trying.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard Reply #29 - Feb 26^th, 2018 at 1:03pm	Print Post
	winplumber wrote on Feb 26^th, 2018 at 12:19pm: Thanks One never knows without trying. Certainly not; but it might be prudent to formulate a "Plan B." Actually, if you're prepared to pay the "going rate" of, let's say, somewhere in the 2 Gs range, I should think it would be possible to find a Grade A machinist who'd be willing to fabricate a pair at that price--if not less. One who possess not only the skills, but has demonstrated an interest in undertaking unusual projects, is the scope-block maker Steve Earle. Of course, he'd have to be supplied with measurements, or better yet, a pair of originals to replicate.


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