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blackpowdermax
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Stevens-Pope Ballard
Apr 26th, 2006 at 10:36pm
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Not mine (sob!!!), but could use some info for the real owner.  Any info would be helpful, all I have is the info from the J. Dutcher book and the James Grant books.  It is missing part of the original palm rest and the aperture for the Pope tang sight.  Caliber believed to be 32-40.  Any history, insights, etc. as well as a value would be appreciated.  For those of you that just started drooling, it is not for sale (sob!!!).  If you have those missing parts, sure would be nice to put it back to original.

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By the way, the bore is excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

max
  
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Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard
Reply #1 - Apr 27th, 2006 at 12:21am
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The missing parts can be easily made by any single-shot gunsmith.  What is the barrel number and was (is) there a false-muzzle?  Great looking outfit and looks to be cut for a Pope scope mount on the receiver, not sure I have seen this before.  

The majority of the value of a Pope rifle lays in the condition of the bore, if anything less than perfect the value decreases, fast.  If the rifle was made for a false-muzzle and that’s missing that also affects the value.

The Ballard looks like it was completely redone by Stevens, palm-rest base, case color and even the stock looks like Stevens work. 
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Reply #2 - Apr 27th, 2006 at 9:12pm
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HI guys and gals I own the Ballard in Question . MAX has been very kind as to start me off with this. Yes barrel was fitted for a false muzzel and Did not make it to me with gun . also I feel the bore to be in very great shape. There is not a mark or number anywhere on barrel .barrel is also milled as well as the action for scope . I feel the bore to be right hand. The double set triggers work very fine . The gun has been on a mans wall for about 50 + years .  Thought I would share this with the people who care about craftsmanship and quality. 
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Reply #3 - Apr 27th, 2006 at 10:26pm
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Nice Rifle!
Do I understand you correctly that the barrel says Stevens-Pope on the top of the barrel but nothing on the underside?  If its right hand twist and no number then may be made after Pope left Stevens. Is there a screw in the bottom of the forward part (through the serial number) of the action that goes into the barrel? I advise you start shooting it and report how it goes. MP
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 7:48am
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There is no name no number anywhere.  As for the screw  I do not think so I will check when I get home .

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Reply #5 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 9:50am
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I guess my next question would be why are we calling the rifle a Stevens-Pope?
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 10:51am
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You are  correct I call it a Marlin ballard might have been redone at the Stevens factory , with Pope style trim.

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Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard
Reply #7 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 11:41am
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I’ll generalize the question.

In the results of the 1906 Central Sharpshooters Union 100 shot match in Davenport, (generously provided to me by Pete) two of the equipment listings are as follows:

Emil Berg Stevens-Pope-Ballard muzzleloader Kings semi smokeless, telescope.

Thomas Malana Stevens-Pope-Ballard breechloader, FG Hazard, peep and aperture sights.

Of course the powder and type of sights are easy to pick out, but how to read the “Stevens-Pope-Ballard”  is there significance to the order?  Is it for example action-barrel-sights?


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Reply #8 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 11:58am
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  CHRIS 
     SORRY but I am lost with your post

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Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard
Reply #9 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 12:08pm
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purely guessing, but I suspect they were Stevens-Pope barrels on Ballard actions.   Whether actually by pope when he was there or not would be a matter for the real Pope scholars in the group.
  
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Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard
Reply #10 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 12:53pm
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Chris,   

     Based on the timing of when various parts were available, I would say that the "Stevens-Pope-Ballard" reference would be barrel (made by Stevens under Pope's direct supervision or by his methods after he left them) and placed on a Ballard action.  I have also seen references to "Pope-Stevens-whatevers" to indicate that he actually did the work while at Stevens. 

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Reply #11 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 12:59pm
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    GOTCHA THANKS PLUMBER
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 1:55pm
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Stevens-Pope barrels made when Pope was there and after he left are marked “Stevens-Pope” and numbered.  If the rifling is right-hand to boot then we have an unknown-Ballard until more information in known.  Even barrels by makers such as Winchester, Marlin and Remington are marked by Stevens when they are re-rifled. I have two questions, is there a name just in back of the pistol grip on the stock, might be tiny letters and anything written under the buttplate?
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 3:04pm
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  I do not see any name . I removed buttplate on it is 116 on buttstock is also 116 the last three numbers on the action is 116.I feel the forearm is Stevens . there is a extra tiny screw hole that is not used with this forearm. Might of had a different forearm at one time . TELL me if I look into breech end looks like 8 lands and 9 grooves make sence turning clockwise away from me 
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Re: Stevens-Pope Ballard
Reply #14 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 3:04pm
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The realization that "Stevens-Pope" is one entity, not two, clears it up for me.

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