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Dave_C Ex Member	1885 stock Apr 25^th, 2006 at 12:25am	Print Post
	Has anyone here had any experience with the CPA 90-95% carved stocks? I picked up 2 stock blanks last week and have a 1885 DST kit from Wes Stanley waiting at the post office for pick-up tomorrow. Ready to get going. Thanks, Dave.


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Brent Ex Member	Re: 1885 stock Reply #1 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 7:36am	Print Post
	They are fairly rough with a goodly amount of extra wood. So, expect to spend a bit of time on the fitting. An 85's ball and socket fit to the back of the receiver must be perfect. Also, the 85 has a tapered bolt from top to bottom tang that must be bored as a taper. I can't recall if CPA did this or not, but that hole is critical. Brent


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ken_hurst Ex Member	Re: 1885 stock Reply #2 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 9:46am	Print Post
	I have gotten best results from Wenigs, Dave Crossno or Show-Me gunstocks . Ken


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Brent Ex Member	Re: 1885 stock Reply #3 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 9:48am	Print Post
	I think Crossno will not drill that critical hole for you unless you ask (and pay more). Brent


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screwloose Ex Member	Re: 1885 stock Reply #4 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 10:48am	Print Post
	Brent Can you elaborate on the tapered hole? Why is it critical? Uberti tang screws are straight. I fit my stock with acuraglass.It takes a mallet to get it off and on. Tom


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Brent Ex Member	Re: 1885 stock Reply #5 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 10:52am	Print Post
	Tom, I can't elaborate a whole lot, but the bolt is tapered from the head down to the thread. If you have a tapered screw in an untapered hole or vise versa, the stock will not be tight. If you go with a straight hole and bolt, then it might work, I cannot say from experience, but I do know that the tapers are there for a reason. Campbell covers this as does an article in BPCN (I think - might have been SSE). Brent


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screwloose Ex Member	Re: 1885 stock Reply #6 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 11:23am	Print Post
	Brent Knowing recoil would be an issue I relied on accuraglass in the areas around the tangs. A good fit in this area distributes the load over the whole receiver to stock fit.Tight and wont come loose. Thanks Tom


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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2282 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: 1885 stock Reply #7 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	I've stocked lots of Winchesters over the last 30 years and have drilled all the tang-screw holes. You need to have the stock compleatly fitted up tight before you drill the hole for the tang screw. The way I do it is to make a simple attachment to my drill press, I screw a piece of wood across the table of the press, which has a pointed screw up through the middle. I then carefully adjust the location of the screw so that the point of the screw and the tip of the drill come together perfectly then lock it down tight. Now, with the fitted stock tightly in place, put the point of the screw into the lower tang-screw hole, and the tip of the drill in the top tang-screw hole. Make sure they are aligned just right, then turn on the drill press and pull down the lever. You'll probably have to do some set-up work so that you can get rifle and stock to fit on the press just right. By using this method, I can often drill the hole perfectly so that the screw threads right in. Even if it doesn't come out perfectly, it's always close and you can use a small round file to make it right. I fit my stocks tightly and then glass bed them to the action. I do this for two reasons #1 to get a perfect fit #2 to seal the end grain so that it won't shrink or absorb oil. Bob Bob


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screwloose Ex Member	Re: 1885 stock Reply #8 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 1:42pm	Print Post
	Bob I'm happy with how it is. I've shot several heavy loads through this rifle. The accuraglass is doing its job. Thanks Tom


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Dave_C Ex Member	Re: 1885 stock Reply #9 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 9:36pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the information. I looked at their web sites, but not as much info as treebone carving or cpa. I will have to call them up. Bob, I will definitely use your method for locating the screw hole, it sounds more accurate then some I have read. Dave


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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: 1885 stock Reply #10 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 10:25pm	Print Post
	I'm currently working on several "project guns" I have a very early CPA (#13 )with both a shotgun and Pope stock. both are very well fitted to the action, almost too well. I have to do some work and relieve something to get the DST to work reliably--something is binding. I do not know if the fitting was done by CPA or a previous owner. the gun has been stored with the stock unworked for 20 years or more. the stocks have a lot of wood to remove to reach final contours. however it is really nice well seasoned premium wood so it'll be worth the extra effort. The extra wood also allows one to excercise a little more creativity and fitting. Second project is a Hi-wall that has a Crossno "Win special sporting stock" I was able to fit the butt to the action perfectly in about 4 or 5 hours. the schuetzen buttplate took quitea while longer. Exterior surfaces are incredible--very very close to final surface. you could slap a finish on and it'd be better than most run-of-the-mill from-the-factory stocks. Third project is my Earle-Wesson. Another Crossno stock. I have not started on it yet. The Wesson is a bear to fit, kind of the worst of a scratchbuilt flintlock and a single shot. the action has to be disassembled and the stock fitted a part at a time. (Seeing Steve Durren's immaculate stock work on the Single Shot Classic this weekend really cut me off at the knees) I can't imagine trying to do this one with a stock of lesser quality than Crossno's. In fact I just emailed Pam and Dave this moring for information about stocking up yet another project this one will be a small FBW action for a smallgame stalking rifle in 17 cal. I supplied the wood for the other two but will use Dave's wood for this one. I've been told he has an excellent selection.

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